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Old January 26th, 2009, 12:34 PM   #901
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A pic of A20 Messina-Palermo

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Un'immagine dell'A20 all'altezza di Villafranca Tirrena(ME).

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Old January 26th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #902
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Landslide on A3, 2 dead and 5 injured

(AGI) - Cosenza, 26 Jan.- 2 died and 5 were injured after a landslide hit the A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria motorway at the 260km mark between Rogliano and Altilia Grimaldi in the province of Cosenza. The landslide, probably caused by the collapse of a retaining wall on the southern carriageway hit a van in which the victims were travelling. The van was later recovered after hours of work. Work is ongoing to clear mud and debris from lanes and A3 is closed from Cosenza Nord to Falerna in both directions.











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Old January 26th, 2009, 04:40 PM   #903
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I think it's an infortunate accident in a country with a very complex orography. 4 kids died in Barcelona because of wind, there has been a very severe meteo situation in Europe these days. I don't know what are you for, honestly.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #904
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I don't know what are you for, honestly.
You think I should be cheering?
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Old February 7th, 2009, 08:20 PM   #905
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Old February 8th, 2009, 05:57 PM   #906
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Finally opened!

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Old February 8th, 2009, 10:55 PM   #907
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Venice: Mestre bypass is open



































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Old February 8th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #908
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I would call it Italian disease... signs with arrows that do not correspond with the number of lanes.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 12:51 AM   #909
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3 lanes 3 arrows...
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Old February 9th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #910
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4 lanes, 3 arrows actually; or 3 lanes, 2 arrows; the rightmost arrow (for Venezia) is for the fourth lane that appears shortly. But never mind, it's great news, and I like it a lot, it looks so spacious and... shiny!

I have one major complaint though: where's Belluno? I know the connection to Belluno isn't built yet, but it should temporarily be signed onto the A57, so you know where to drive to get there until the connection is built. Oh, and "A" and "SLO" wouldn't hurt. I know Trieste isn't so small, but it's not that terribly representative for Austria, as you turn for Austria already 50 km before Trieste. I'm such a signage geek.

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3 lanes 3 arrows...
Nope, 3 through lanes, one exit lane.

The arrows indicate 2 through lanes and one exit lane.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:52 AM   #912
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I would call it Italian disease... signs with arrows that do not correspond with the number of lanes.
NO, It's correct. If you want to turn right, you have to drive on the lane on the right....If not, well you've got 2 lanes. Of course you can stay on the right as well
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:22 AM   #913
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It's not correct, because it looks like the right lane exits here which it doesn't. It can lead to unwanted behaviour of cars and trucks moving to the left unnecessary, especially those not known with the situation.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 11:34 AM   #914
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In Italy arrows do not indicate the number of lanes... we said that many times on this thread
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Old February 9th, 2009, 11:42 AM   #915
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I quoted this spost 'cause IMO it makes clear how the bypass is effective
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Oggi da Marcon a Mestre tante auto ma solo 2 camion qualcosa è già cambiato...
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Today from Marcon to Mestre many cars but just two trucks, something changed yet...
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Old February 9th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #916
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In Italy arrows do not indicate the number of lanes... we said that many times on this thread
Well, what's the use of use arrows at all? In other countries, they do indicate lanes, as they should do, although I've seen some problematic signs in the U.S. too.

According to a poll on the Dutch wegenforum, Italy is in the top three countries with the worst signage, together with Belgium and the United Kingdom.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 04:20 PM   #917
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Hey, Udine is also missing on signs. Ok ok, Trieste is quite enough.

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According to a poll on the Dutch wegenforum, Italy is in the top three countries with the worst signage, together with Belgium and the United Kingdom.
I can't believe Poland with its border villages and PL ovals hasn't got a single vote.
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I don't understand sth: if you go from Trieste to Padova, where do you pay? As far as I can see, that frontal toll station east of Venice is still there, so you still have to pay twice, but the new Mestre bypass avoids the frontal toll station west of Venice, so where do you pay?
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I don't understand sth: if you go from Trieste to Padova, where do you pay? As far as I can see, that frontal toll station east of Venice is still there, so you still have to pay twice, but the new Mestre bypass avoids the frontal toll station west of Venice, so where do you pay?
They integrated the system as on the other italian highways: you pay when you exit, wherever that is...if you exit in Padova you pay when you exit, the same in Milan, Rome, Bologna or wherever.

This will allow to go from Naples to Trieste or from Taranto to Trieste without ever having to stop to pay...but the same is not valid from Turin to Trieste

In fact unfortunately you cannot travel the whole lenght and width of Italy without stopping at toll boot. You have to do so in Milan for example (no pass through)...
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Old February 9th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #920
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so "old" part of A4 became A57 nice. about arrow things - you get used after some time in Italy to only 2 arrows above 3 lanes
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