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Old August 11th, 2016, 09:59 PM   #9201
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Old August 11th, 2016, 10:10 PM   #9202
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Old August 12th, 2016, 01:54 PM   #9203
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The extension of A31 north has been approved also by Province Trento, which fiercely opposed it until not many months ago. Two prescriptions, though:
1- motorway will end at the border between Veneto and Trentino-Alto Adige. The rest should have to be "something else";
2- it will not be linked to A22, but to its parallel state road, SS12.

Now the concessionaire has 2 years to write the project.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:12 PM   #9204
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The extension of A31 north has been approved also by Province Trento, which fiercely opposed it until not many months ago. Two prescriptions, though:
1- motorway will end at the border between Veneto and Trentino-Alto Adige. The rest should have to be "something else";
2- it will not be linked to A22, but to its parallel state road, SS12.

Now the concessionaire has 2 years to write the project.
I guess the section in Trentino will be a de facto motorway (also tolled) with blue signs and 110 speed limit (like Pedemontana Veneta), so "environmentalists" and nimbies will be happy to say: "we fought against the autostrada and we won, we don't have an autostrada but a 24.5 meters wide tolled superstrada".
That's like new Austrian motorways numbered with S-prefix because A-prefix -> Autobahn -> worst possible environmental disaster, while S-prefix -> Schnellstrasse -> no problem.

Trento will be a major bottleneck with the expressway extension of A31 not directly connected with A22 (see A4-A35 in Brescia), so maybe in the future they will push for a direct interchange.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:13 PM   #9205
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2- it will not be linked to A22, but to its parallel state road, SS12.
What's the point? To make it less attractive to use? - why then even bother to have it?
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I guess the section in Trentino will be a de facto motorway (also tolled) with blue signs and 110 speed limit (like Pedemontana Veneta), so "environmentalists" and nimbies will be happy to say: "we fought against the autostrada and we won, we don't have an autostrada but a 24.5 meters wide tolled superstrada".
I'm not so sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Trentino only grant passage for a C category road (2 total lanes).

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What's the point? To make it less attractive to use? - why then even bother to have it?
Exactly. Concessionaire of A31 pushed for so many years to have their motorway reach Trentino that the head of the Province (which is majority shareholder of A22) finally said "ok, but you are going to build a road that must be so terrible that nobody uses. So you will lose a lot of money and never bother us anymore".
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:36 PM   #9207
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Now the concessionaire has 2 years to write the project.
What does "write the project" mean, detailed planning procedure / design / documentation? I guess it must be approved afterwards and construction works could begin... 2020 at the earliest?

Any news about A27 extension just ~70km east of A31?
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Another idea was to connect it with SS47 near Levico Terme, but I don't know why it was scrapped. Maybe because it was too good.

I think that local administrations in Italy have too power in deciding about infrastructures (roads and railways) of national and international importance.
The only way to have a country-wide consistent network, not affected by local economical interests, is to implement an Eisenhower-Interstate-like plan. This worked in the 1950s and 1960s, it still work in developing countries, but not anymore in western democracies.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:48 PM   #9209
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2- it will not be linked to A22, but to its parallel state road, SS12.
Sounds like A35 / A4 "connection" in Brescia... which will be built now...
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Old August 12th, 2016, 02:55 PM   #9210
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What does "write the project" mean, detailed planning procedure / design / documentation? I guess it must be approved afterwards and construction works could begin... 2020 at the earliest?
I would be surprised if construction begins before 2021 but basically yes, they have to redo all the planning and designing.

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It was presented a couple of months ago at one of the European commissions but it was stopped, some say because they presented it at the wrong commission...
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Any news about A27 extension just ~70km east of A31?
Probably nothing, at least in the short term. If they'll build someting in the future, it will be just a 20km extension till Pieve di Cadore.
In the 60s and 70s they planned to go extend it directly to Austria (for this reason A27 Mestre-Conegliano became the first 3x2 motorway in Italy, when it opened in 1972), but then they decided that Brenner and Tarvisio will become the two major routes to Austria, and this project was thus scrapped.
Later, they planned to extend A27 eastbound, joining A23 near Tolmezzo. However, it would have required dozen of tunnels and viaducts across a very difficult terrain (I think a 12km double bore tunnel was also included), and it would have been useless too, as Venice-Tarviso will remain shorter via the current A4 and A23, rather than via A27 and A23. So, also this project is no longer seriously considered.
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Sounds like A35 / A4 "connection" in Brescia... which will be built now...
It was a lot different. A35 was supposed to be "connected" to A4 by A21 racc, but the concessionaire of A21 was dismissed and A21 racc was not finished... so the direct connection is a sort of "emergency solution".
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Another idea was to connect it with SS47 near Levico Terme, but I don't know why it was scrapped. Maybe because it was too good.
They said it would have jammed a road which is already full of traffic...
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It was a lot different. A35 was supposed to be "connected" to A4 by A21 racc, but the concessionaire of A21 was dismissed and A21 racc was not finished... so the direct connection is a sort of "emergency solution".
The direct A35-A4 interchange is shorter, much direct and even cheaper to build than the connection via A4-A21-A21racc-A35.
Too bad that they built 17 km of A21racc that has no practical use today, and will never have it with the future A4-A35 i/c, except for local traffic, but for this purpose the 2-laned SP19 was enough.
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A21 racc would have been interesting had they built the Valtrompia motorway... this would have departed from western end of A21 racc avoiding Brescia and getting to Lumezzane. I think a motorway is too big for such a route, but Brescia needs a proper western bypass. The current one is a 80 km/h urban road that ends inside the city and becomes a 50 km/h boulevard that cuts northern suburbs of Brescia (Concesio, Villa Carcina, Sarezzo) in half, very dangerous for pedestrians. I used to drive that road twice a day when I worked in Villa Carcina: fortunately my commute was earlier than most (to @ 6.30 AM, fro @ 3.30 PM) so I never found much traffic, but the road is extremely busy at rush hour.
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when they build direct interchange A4-A35, shall A35 be included into closed toll system together with A4, or there will be still barrier at Brescia?
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when they build direct interchange A4-A35, shall A35 be included into closed toll system together with A4, or there will be still barrier at Brescia?
Unfortunately, the latter. Exiting A4 you will find a new toll barrier near Roncadelle, then the already present one at Chiari. Utter madness.
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Some very long term motorway plans (still in discussion stage, no offical projects or deadlines yet)

"Pedemontana Piemontese", connecting A4 and A26 in Piedmont region (40.5 km)


"Eastern bypass of Turin", connecting A4 and A21 making a full ringroad around Turin (27 km)


"Multi-modal link of Corso Marche": it will be a three-level multi-modal 9.2 km corridor: a road for local traffic at ground level, an underground motorway below it, and an underground railway further deepeer.

IMHO, this one looks like insanely expensive and unrealistic for me (considering that Turin has already a motorway bypass on the West side).

Termoli-San Vittore: a circa 150 km long motorway connecting A1 and A14 south of Rome/Pescara, but north of Naples/Bari, with a spur route to Campobasso

(This one is around since a decade or so.)

Gela-Castelvetrano expressway in Sicily (168 km)

Dashed red line is the most likely option.

Outer bypass of Palermo (19.4 km)

Preliminar project is already done.
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Some very long term motorway plans (still in discussion stage, no offical projects or deadlines yet)

"Pedemontana Piemontese", connecting A4 and A26 in Piedmont region (40.5 km)
Downsized to 1+1 superstrada.

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"Eastern bypass of Turin",
Scrapped.

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"Multi-modal link of Corso Marche": it will be a three-level multi-modal 9.2 km corridor: a road for local traffic at ground level, an underground motorway below it, and an underground railway further deepeer.

IMHO, this one looks like insanely expensive and unrealistic for me (considering that Turin has already a motorway bypass on the West side).
This was scrapped AGES ago.

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Downsized to 1+1 superstrada.


Scrapped.


This was scrapped AGES ago.


Also scrapped.
Everything was found on ANAS official site. Too bad they don't bother removing outdated info. Apart the Termoli-San Vittore and the outer Palermo bypass, I've never heard of other projects before, so I though they were more recent ideas.
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