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Old May 31st, 2017, 10:21 AM   #9681
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Rome doesn't appear to have a very large commuter belt. In less than 10 kilometers from the city center you'll hit undeveloped land, although there are quite a number of larger towns within 20 kilometers from the Rome beltway (GRA), but they are not continuously grown into one large suburban area. In addition, there is very little long-distance (truck) traffic going through Rome as A1 passes well east of the city. And Rome doesn't have a whole lot of industrial areas compared to other world cities.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 10:58 AM   #9682
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I had the privilege of visiting your great nation earlier this year visiting the wonderful cities of Rome, Florence, and Venice.

My cousin lived about 30 minutes north of Rome and we took the freeway that goes between Rome & Florencce. The road was good and well used but considering how it went by Rome I was surprised how light the traffic was. Even the Roman freeways themselves weren't that busy considering the size of Rome. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would kill to have such light traffic and free flowing freeways thru their cities. The traffic on Canadian cities near our big cities can be horrific and I was pleasantly surprised how well things moved and how light the traffic was.
You must have hit the road on an unusual time of the day, because freeways in Rome are terribly congested. Rome's annular beltway, called "GRA" or "A90", has been dubbed "the world's largest parking lot".
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Old May 31st, 2017, 12:42 PM   #9683
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You must have hit the road on an unusual time of the day, because freeways in Rome are terribly congested. Rome's annular beltway, called "GRA" or "A90", has been dubbed "the world's largest parking lot".
Completely agree.

Even though few projects have helped like widening (3x2) of North connector to A1 and A24 "parallel" lanes 2x2 for local traffic, the secondary road cause a complete collapse during rush-hour. Roads like Via Nomentana, Tiburtina, Cassia, Tuscolana, Casilina, ect simply can not handle the entering/exiting traffic from GRA, the expressways or (out dated) freeways if you can call them that. This is also assisted, outside GRA, by a lack of crossing roads even though there has been population boom due to new home construction.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 12:43 PM   #9684
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I had the privilege of visiting your great nation earlier this year visiting the wonderful cities of Rome, Florence, and Venice.

My cousin lived about 30 minutes north of Rome and we took the freeway that goes between Rome & Florencce. The road was good and well used but considering how it went by Rome I was surprised how light the traffic was. Even the Roman freeways themselves weren't that busy considering the size of Rome. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would kill to have such light traffic and free flowing freeways thru their cities. The traffic on Canadian cities near our big cities can be horrific and I was pleasantly surprised how well things moved and how light the traffic was.
Was it 6am on a Sunday? Rome is a holy mess of a city, and so are its freeways.
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Old May 31st, 2017, 04:15 PM   #9685
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Sardinia - La Maddalena fixed link

There are some ongoing feasibility studies about the possibility of a fixed link between Palau, in northern Sardinia, and La Maddalena island (the route is currently served by a car ferry).

According to a proposed plan, the link will be made by two 3-km-long and 8-meters-wide adjacent floating submerged floating tunnels, one for each direction, only 5 meters below sea level.

http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/201...si_-166329046/

I personally have several doubts about the realism of such a project.
The concept of submerged floating tunnel, while has been theorized by several civil engineers for decades (there's a 1969 plan for Messina Strait and more recent ones in Norway, for Sognefjord I think), it has never been built anywhere in the world (not even U/C).
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Old June 1st, 2017, 04:39 AM   #9686
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Stop with these fancy bridges to minor islands... and restart the bridge over the Messina Strait already!
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 12:20 AM   #9687
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Any updated estimated opening date?
They sad they will opened the first lot - Rosolini-Ispica/Pozzallo - within 2017. The rest, till Modica, within 2018.

Actually all the forces are umployed in the first lot.
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Old June 3rd, 2017, 11:32 PM   #9688
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Old June 5th, 2017, 01:15 PM   #9689
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Works for the extension southwards of A22 "del Brennero", 14 km between A1 and Sassuolo, are going to begin in a year (May 2018) and last for 4 years. Main artifact will be a bridge over river Secchia (814 m), one over Milan-Bologna railway and SS9 (621 m) and two tunnels (506 m and 268 m) to underpass a natural reserve.
Works should include also a link to tangenziale of Modena and a brand new tangenziale of Rubiera.
There will be 4 junctions on the main stretch of motorway (Rubiera, Marzaglia, Zona industriale Sassuolo and Barriera Pedemontana) and 2 more on the link to tangenziale (Zona Fiera-Scalo Merci and Barriera tangenziale)
Total cost should be 506 M€.

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Yesterday 5 June 2017, the 3rd lane on A4 Turin - Milan, has finally been completed. Works started on 18 October 2002.

http://bimag.it/imprese/milano-e-tor...-forte_440825/
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Old June 10th, 2017, 03:34 AM   #9691
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Yes, Rome itself seemed to have very bad traffic but I was just going by the A1 both north and south of the city and {I don't know the official name of the highway} the Beltway that surrounds the city. Travelled the A1 100km north and south of the city during the week and weekends. It was a very nice road, lovely country, and well travelled but by Torontonians in particular would gladly give their first born to have traffic that light so close to the city.
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Old June 10th, 2017, 06:27 PM   #9692
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Yesterday 5 June 2017, the 3rd lane on A4 Turin - Milan, has finally been completed. Works started on 18 October 2002.

http://bimag.it/imprese/milano-e-tor...-forte_440825/
finally! are they starting on 4th lane now?
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finally! are they starting on 4th lane now?
Already completed between Marcallo and Milan. Working on the dynamic 4th lane in the urban stretch.
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Already completed between Marcallo and Milan. Working on the dynamic 4th lane in the urban stretch.
i know that nearby Milano. are there plans for new stretches of 4+4 or not?
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i know that nearby Milano. are there plans for new stretches of 4+4 or not?
Nothing on the A4. I think A14 Bologna-Ravenna is the only planned 4+4.
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The GRA should be 2x4 indeed.
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The GRA should be 2x4 indeed.
It won't happen, as they already expanded it to 2x3 not so long ago (with huge works, as in many places they had to rebuilt it from scratch and demolish the former 2x2 alingment).
Fortunately in Rome, unlikely in Milan, long distance traffic doesn't have to pass through the city ringroad, as A1 passes quite far from the city.
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It won't happen, as they already expanded it to 2x3 not so long ago (with huge works, as in many places they had to rebuilt it from scratch and demolish the former 2x2 alingment).
Fortunately in Rome, unlikely in Milan, long distance traffic doesn't have to pass through the city ringroad, as A1 passes quite far from the city.
The metropolitan city needs to grow, and it needs new areas to build. There is quite some space within the GRA but most of it are parks or archaeologically relevant sites like the surroundings of Via Appia Antica.
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Rome doesn't appear to have a very large commuter belt. In less than 10 kilometers from the city center you'll hit undeveloped land, although there are quite a number of larger towns within 20 kilometers from the Rome beltway (GRA), but they are not continuously grown into one large suburban area. In addition, there is very little long-distance (truck) traffic going through Rome as A1 passes well east of the city. And Rome doesn't have a whole lot of industrial areas compared to other world cities.


Exactly right. Traffic in the city of Rome is heavy but for the resins you mentioned traffic is relatively low just in the suburban areas.

The opposite is true in Milan
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Nothing on the A4. I think A14 Bologna-Ravenna is the only planned 4+4.


Not true. Also most of Milan-Bologna
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