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Old June 10th, 2017, 11:45 PM   #9701
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The metropolitan city needs to grow, and it needs new areas to build.
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Rome lost 300 thousand inhabitants in the last 40 years, and the trend is still negative.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #9702
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The metropolitan area did not lose any inhabitants, it grew
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:17 AM   #9703
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The metropolitan area did not lose any inhabitants, it grew
There is basically no metropolitan area in Rome beyond Rome itself...
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:26 AM   #9704
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There is basically no metropolitan area in Rome beyond Rome itself...


Not true. It is not Milan neither Rome but there are large conurbation east and south of Rome: guidonia, tivoli, Fiumicino, castelli, pomezia, mentana, fiancé Romano, civitavecchia... the am is about 4mln people. The city 2.8
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:57 AM   #9705
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Not true. It is not Milan neither Rome but there are large conurbation east and south of Rome: guidonia, tivoli, Fiumicino, castelli, pomezia, mentana, fiancé Romano, civitavecchia... the am is about 4mln people. The city 2.8
The City is actually 2.6 now .
Anyway, the figures you're giving refer to the administrative unit known as "metropolitan city of Rome", which has nothing to do with the actual metropolitan area.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #9706
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The city has 2,873,598 people, as recorded on 30-11-2016, the highest number since ever.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 10:50 AM   #9707
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The city has 2,873,598 people, as recorded on 30-11-2016, the highest number since ever.
This is just estimate. Last official census, in 2011, says 2,611 million.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:16 PM   #9708
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An "estimate"???
Do You think registry offices are playing with dices?
This is not an estimate, is the accounting of birth and deaths, of comings and leavings. And is an official statement.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 12:29 PM   #9709
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Only official data are ones from the census. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to throw such extensive census, don't you think?

Anyways, whatever. I think we are going way offtopic now.

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Old June 11th, 2017, 01:01 PM   #9710
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Censuses are not just to know the overall amount of population, but to collects a huge amount of statistical data about the most different aspects of population (families, housing, economy,...).
Population data from municipalities are accurate and up to date.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 01:01 PM   #9711
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Census is a "picture" made in a specific moment, every 10 years. In the meantime the situation changes staedily, and this is certified by registry offices with official datas sent to ISTAT, month by month.
This is not an estimate, these are facts-and-figures. Without mistakes? Of course not. And that's what census is for: verify and correct mistakes occured during years, to put a new benchmark.
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Old June 11th, 2017, 01:04 PM   #9712
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To compare present-day Rome's population with old data, you need to add Fiumicino population (78,960). Fiumicino was a suburb of Rome until 1992, when it became a separate municipality.
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Only official data are ones from the census. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to throw such extensive census, don't you think?

Anyways, whatever. I think we are going way offtopic now.


Yes you are insisting when you are obviously wrong
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Old June 13th, 2017, 02:06 PM   #9714
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After years of a rainbow map, we finally have this

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They placed some new signs with A2 - Autostrada del Mediterraneo. It officially connects Fisciano with Villa San Giovanni, which is a slightly different route than the "former" A3.

Maybe that is to thwart all bad news on Google search about A3 and "Salerno - Reggio Calabria", who knows.

There is a neat website listing some attractions along the way and showing that map I posted https://www.autostradadelmediterraneo.it
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I'm not sure I posted this video before, it was shot in the late 1960s celebrating the progress in the completion of the first autostrada whose construction had started earlier.

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Old June 13th, 2017, 02:32 PM   #9717
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After years of a rainbow map, we finally have this
That's misleading, as some sections are still w/o hard shoulders, and will likely remain so forever, as reconstruction plan has been scrapped and replaced by the cheaper 'extraordinary maintenance' plan, that involves just repaving, replacement of signage, crashbarriers and little more.

And I don't see the need to rename the section Villa San Giovanni - Reggio Calabria as A2racc.
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Old June 13th, 2017, 02:35 PM   #9718
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Why RA5 (A3 to Potenza branch) in missing from the map?
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Old June 13th, 2017, 03:03 PM   #9719
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That's misleading, as some sections are still w/o hard shoulders, and will likely remain so forever, as reconstruction plan has been scrapped and replaced by the cheaper 'extraordinary maintenance' plan, that involves just repaving, replacement of signage, crashbarriers and little more.
Did they repave, renew tunnels and viaducts on sections Morano Calabro-Sibari and Cosenza-Altilia? Last July they were in pretty bad condition (after "all works have been completed") with no sign of any ongoing construction.
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Did they repave, renew tunnels and viaducts on sections Morano Calabro-Sibari and Cosenza-Altilia? Last July they were in pretty bad condition (after "all works have been completed") with no sign of any ongoing construction.
These sections are scheduled to be renovated.
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