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Old September 25th, 2017, 05:56 PM   #9841
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Detailed planimetry for A31 north extension project:

http://www.va.minambiente.it/it-IT/O...Documentazione

more than 1800 pdf files. Enjoy...
That's probably longer than the German documentation for the Fehmarn tunnel.
Anyway it's good to have already the detailed planimetry. There's now a realistic chance to have it completed by the 2030s.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 07:49 PM   #9842
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In the documentations (and also accordig to other newspapers) them plan to complete the stretches in the Venetian side on 2024-2025... Optimistic?
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:03 PM   #9843
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Old September 26th, 2017, 11:15 PM   #9844
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There has been a collapse inside Gran San Bernardo tunnel yesterday, and the tunnel itself has been closed; all traffic are being re-routed through the Gran San Bernardo pass, Simplon and Chiasso.

At 8.30 am, in the Italian section of the tunnel part of a ventilation structure collapsed: according to the concessionaire, it is not a structural failure.

http://torino.repubblica.it/cronaca/...rdo-176125281/
The damage is more serious than previously thought.
At first, the time for re-opening the tunnel was evaluated in 2 weeks. Now, they will announce its re-opening date on 5th October.

http://torino.repubblica.it/cronaca/...oro-176463918/
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Old September 26th, 2017, 11:39 PM   #9845
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Old September 27th, 2017, 02:20 AM   #9846
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I recently noticed they've added Slovenian on motorways around Trieste and Gorizia:


http://www.primorski.it/stories/trst.../#.WcrfZjX3OGk


http://www.primorski.it/stories/gori.../#.WcrgOjX3OGl
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Old September 27th, 2017, 10:56 AM   #9847
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Does Slovenian have city names without vowels ?
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Old September 27th, 2017, 10:59 AM   #9848
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And why weren't Tarvisio and Venezia translated?
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Old September 27th, 2017, 12:45 PM   #9849
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And why weren't Tarvisio and Venezia translated?
Maybe because they don't have Slovenian population.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #9850
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Does Slovenian have city names without vowels ?
The only one I can think is the Croatian island of Krk.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 12:54 PM   #9851
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Maybe because they don't have Slovenian population.
Tarvisio is officially trilingual: Italian, Slovenian and German
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Old September 27th, 2017, 02:10 PM   #9852
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Tarvisio is officially trilingual: Italian, Slovenian and German
Actually quadrilingal, with Friulan. But Slovenian and German speaking population is now trascurable (it used to be bigger during Austrian rule until 1918).
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Old September 27th, 2017, 02:13 PM   #9853
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Since the Cispadana will be the first regional motorway in Italy
Nope

First regional motorway in Italy was Bre-Be-Mi in Lombardy

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Old September 27th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #9854
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Nope

First regional motorway in Italy was Bre-Be-Mi in Lombardy
Mm, no. A35 BreBeMi is formally owned by ANAS, Cispadana will not. "Regional" not in the sense of "entirely contained in one region", otherwise A34 or A27 could also be called "regional".
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Old September 27th, 2017, 02:56 PM   #9855
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I've read "pedaggiato" in Italian, but it feels like a horrible neologism...
In Spanish would be "de peaje" (= "Of Toll" = Tolled), but never seen on signs.

Most often one is to see sign with Spanish/English word Toll
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Old September 27th, 2017, 04:18 PM   #9856
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Does anyone know what kind of construction works are ongoing on A4 between Mestre and Palmanova? I was driving towards Mestre 10 days ago and some 20km or more were under construction between Portogruaro and somewhere before Mestre with a 80 km/h limit, one week later (last Sunday) a different section, namely Portogruaro-Palmanova was under the same limit - a very long stretch.
Does this have to do with planned widening to 2x3?
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Old September 27th, 2017, 08:34 PM   #9857
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Well, there actually is a vowel in both Trst and Krk: it is represented by the letter R.
In order to pronounce those words one just basically needs to insert a schwa sound before the r.

As for the construction works on the A4: yes, they're about the widening of the motorway. The widening will also entail a new long bridge on the river Tagliamento.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 11:07 PM   #9858
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Currently they're working only between Alvisopoli and Gonars, including the new Tagliamento bridge. Sections Portogruaro - Alvisopoli and Gonars - Palmanova will starts soon. The entire lot Portogruaro - Palmanova should open in 2020.
The section San Donà - Portogruaro will start in future and should open by 2025.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #9859
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Does Slovenian have city names without vowels ?
You mean Slovenia? Yes, there are Krn, Vrh, Grm and perhaps some more, but those are all villages, I honestly don't know which one is largest. And I don't know any settlement with four consonants.

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Well, there actually is a vowel in both Trst and Krk: it is represented by the letter R.
In order to pronounce those words one just basically needs to insert a schwa sound before the r.
Yes, Tərst and Kərk.

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And why weren't Tarvisio and Venezia translated?
I don't know, but they're sometimes translated on other roads (on newer signs).
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Old September 27th, 2017, 11:45 PM   #9860
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The only one I can think is the Croatian island of Krk.
The Germans pronounce it: K'k.
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