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Old July 28th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #1161
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Caserta = southern Italy = Mafia kill?
Please, do something for me.

Next time you want to write such idiotic posts, count from 1 to 10, think about it, then realize if it's the case of keeping the servers of SSC busier.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #1162
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Next time you want to write such idiotic posts, count from 1 to 10, think about it, then realize if it's the case of keeping the servers of SSC busier.
Chill out.

Keber reported an accident with a dead man on the motorway with no damaged cars. I only suggested that it may have been a gang or mafia war. These things happen all the time, also in Italy. Do you know how many times they find dead bodies along motorways in the Netherlands? Nothing to get all riled up for
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Old July 28th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #1163
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I forgot that Ripley made a lot of pics around Trieste not so long ago, I guess that I've only made pics of motorways that have already been photographed often already
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Old July 28th, 2009, 12:59 PM   #1164
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Chill out.

Keber reported an accident with a dead man on the motorway with no damaged cars. I only suggested that it may have been a gang or mafia war. These things happen all the time, also in Italy. Do you know how many times they find dead bodies along motorways in the Netherlands? Nothing to get all riled up for
Chris, if you had grown up watching on TV the bodies of policemen and judges murdered by mafia in the 80s you'd understand Thor's reaction.
For us mafia is neither Marlon Brando acting Don Corleone nor Tony Soprano, for us mafia means dozens of state funerals.
it isn't easy to "chill out" about tragedies.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #1165
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Back on the road

BTW I found some interesting videos about Salerno-Reggio Calabria, even if they're a bit outdated (2/3 months ago)
They're critics as they presented A3 as 'national shame' (quite common opinion in Italy, referred to the 'ininitive' works), but enjoy the trip anyway





























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Old July 28th, 2009, 05:38 PM   #1166
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Wow, you can drive whole A3 on those videos.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #1167
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What's the video are you talking about?
I took the video of this accident when driving by.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 08:07 PM   #1168
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Wow, you can drive whole A3 on those videos.
Maybe around one third of whole route with that speed.

Well, it took me 4 and 1/2 hours from Salerno to Pizzo (about 340 km southbound on Friday afternoon). One lane traffic for tens of km/s, numerous short lane closures and heavy traffic in the beginning makes travelling on A3 a long-duration travel.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #1169
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Damn... I probably will go there in the second half of August
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Old July 28th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #1170
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There are currently 4 major construction sites on A3 with uninterrupted one lane traffic:
- one short, but very congested part before interchange for Potenza (as I saw, it could be temporarily widened for Ferragosto);
- 31 km long (and probably most annoying) part between Montesano and Lauria - this one is probably the most annoying;
- 10-15 km long part south of Cosenza;
- about 40 km long part between Palmi and Villa S. Giovanni (it doesn't seem to have happened much in last two years) - broken truck means immediate jams for kilometers.

I will post some pictures in following days.

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Old July 28th, 2009, 09:03 PM   #1171
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>10 km stretches of one lane is really unacceptable imo. The level of service is very low that way, and the slightest disruptions have significant impact.

Ofcourse, you don't improve a 400 kilometer motorway in a few years. Maybe they should implement more 10-10-10 sections, which mean 10 km of construction, 10km free flow (2x2) and then 10 km of construction again. Ofcourse, due to tunnels and bridges, you have to be a bit flexible in this approach.

However, I sometimes think it might be even better to close down significant portions of the A3 for like 1 year, and detour traffic onto the S18, which seems like a high standard road that bypasses most villages. Local traffic could use the S19. That ought to speed up the construction time. As it is going now, it indeed seems like an endless construction site.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #1172
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However, I sometimes think it might be even better to close down significant portions of the A3 for like 1 year, and detour traffic onto the S18, which seems like a high standard road that bypasses most villages.
Here you are very wrong. S18 is actually very winding road (and even not very wide in many parts) and doesn't bypass many towns. Even partially closed A3 is much better alternative.

Many think correctly that Calabria isn't flat, but they are wrong thinking that it is hilly. Actually it is very mountainous and that's why great number of objects is necessary.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 09:26 PM   #1173
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Hmm, a quick scan of the Cosenza province learns me that S18 runs pretty straight. But it might be more winding in other areas, especially south of the Catanzaro province and the Salerno province.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #1174
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S18 is mostly quite far away from A3 and has therefore enough traffic already.

However some signs on A3 recommend using SS18 in case of heavy jams (means hours of waiting). In normal case (like mine) this is not advisable. It would be better if ANAS would take some serious action. As I saw ANAS (at least in the south) is pretty lazy and incapable company.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #1175
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I think one of the problem with A3 is that is 'owned' by ANAS and not by Autostrade spa or other subjects which normally have their major 'bussiness' on highways (and infact many Superstrade are owned by Anas and are in bad condition)
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Old July 29th, 2009, 12:10 PM   #1176
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S18 is mostly quite far away from A3 and has therefore enough traffic alreadIt would be better if ANAS would take some serious action. As I saw ANAS (at least in the south) is pretty lazy and incapable company.
Don't worry, not only in the south...it's an incapable company itself throught whole the country.

BTW, a general question: I'm going to Puglia the next week probably.

What's the condition of the motorway coming from Lombardia?
I know the road till Bologna well, but after?
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Old July 29th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #1177
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Are there any plans of building a new northern bypass of Milan? A4 is a bottleneck there.
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Old July 29th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #1178
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Yes the Pedemontana: http://www.pedemontana.com/

There were some posts about it, search in the older pages.
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Old July 29th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #1179
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Damn... I probably will go there in the second half of August
Good luck!
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Wow, you can drive whole A3 on those videos.
A nice experience also with the videos!
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