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Old September 24th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #1381
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Great pictures! Sicily is gorgeous.
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Old September 26th, 2009, 12:56 AM   #1382
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Found this:

A4 Milano-Bergamo:
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Old September 26th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #1383
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Different signal autostrada-"strada extraurbana principale" (unofficial name: superstrada), the italian streets with two carriageways:



Only the color (the font of the blue one is wrong) is different!

By the way the difference are technical (hard shoulder, amplitude curves, presence of SOS service).

This signal:


is rare (I never sawn!) and does not prescribe speed limits (speed limits must be shown) or the characteristics of the road (so the road may have two carriageways, but with specifications lower than the superstrada aka strada extraurbana principale. The road may have only one carriageways). We can find it on urban street or out of the city. It's prescribe that tre street is only for car, motorbike (ALL), scooter, camion, bus,... but not for bike, pedestrian, animals-drawn carriages,... (all without engine)

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Milano street:


Out Milano:


for this road:

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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #1384
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Nice pics from Sicily. Those interchanges are indeed complex with those tunnels.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 02:51 AM   #1385
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Hi guys, im proud to see a great thread on italian highways. When i heve some time ill post an image of a "new" italian motorway (secret)

Now, can you tell me how many Km have totally some countries? I need them cause i want to open an european statistic thread on autoroutes.

Italy (7300 km?)
Germany (12.000 km?)
France (11.000 km?)
Spain
UK
Netherland
Belgium
Portugal
Greece
Finland
Sweden
(etc..)

If you know about your country or others in EUROPE please post it... i need them!

Thanks a lot
Portugal - 2.860 Km (only motorways in 2008).
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Old September 27th, 2009, 05:02 PM   #1386
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New By-pass Venafro (Molise)

Category: "Superstrada-Strada extraurbana principale"

Number: SS85var






Mix ("illegal") with the symbol of the octagon of "autostrada" and with the symbol of the superstrada.






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Old September 27th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #1387
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"SS 85 var.", "SS 85 Var", "S.S. 85 variante", any more combinations? Is this expressway new?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 05:32 PM   #1388
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Yes, it's new (7/10/2008). SS85var is approximately 8 km long.

A lot of combinations
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Old September 27th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #1389
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There're a lot of prefixes by Italian road numbers, like var(iante), dir(amazione), racc(ordo), bis, ter, quater, and I think even some personal ones, like SS131d.c.n. (Strada Statale Diramazione Centrale Nuorese)? I first heard of 'var' when I was searching for the national number of the new expressway south of Trieste, which is obviously SS15var. Anyway, the Italian Wikipedia is very good on Italian roads.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:24 PM   #1390
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Only now I see that the new part of the Trieste bypass is neither RA13 nor SS202, but NSA314 (Nuova Strada ANAS):



Trieste looks like some New York; could it be any messier?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #1391
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Do you think it's a surprise that I was wrong when I posted my pics of the Trieste bypass here?
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Old September 28th, 2009, 12:38 AM   #1392
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There're a lot of prefixes by Italian road numbers, like var(iante), dir(amazione), racc(ordo), bis, ter, quater, and I think even some personal ones, like SS131d.c.n. (Strada Statale Diramazione Centrale Nuorese)? I first heard of 'var' when I was searching for the national number of the new expressway south of Trieste, which is obviously SS15var. Anyway, the Italian Wikipedia is very good on Italian roads.
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Only now I see that the new part of the Trieste bypass is neither RA13 nor SS202, but NSA314 (Nuova Strada ANAS)
Yes, a lot of combinations. But attention. Maybe new "Raccordo Lacotisce-Rabuiese" is SS15 var. In fact journalists have called the road as SS15var, but there aren't signals or documents with that number.

Number NSA314 is only temporary and there aren't signal with that number.

The classification as superstrada (not autostrada) of RA13/RA14 is provisional since 1997 (http://distributori.provincia.trevis...ttoree/E22.doc) because the link between A4 and SS202-Sopraelevata wasn't completely build. In some documents of ANAS RA13+RA14 is described as Strada Statale (even if is classified as R.A.). But there is also the following description: "Autostrada waiting technical and functional classification".

The (number)situation of the Grande Viaiblitā Triestina (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_...3%A0_Triestina; history: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccord...tina_.28GVT.29 ) is a disaster.

By the way: RA13, RA14, NSA314, RA LAcotisce-Rabuiese are provisional.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #1393
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There're a lot of prefixes by Italian road numbers
Sorry, I mean suffixes.

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The classification as superstrada (not autostrada) of RA13/RA14
They're equipped with the autostrada sign though (130 km/h). To be honest, my head wants to blow up when I try to bury myself in the Italian classification of roads, which is close to mission impossible. All these autostrade officially classified as superstrade, raccordi autostradali not given the 'RA' prefix for whatever reason, 'RA' shields sometimes in green, sometimes in blue, an 'RA' sometimes not being an autostrada at all, superstrada being in fact strada extraurbana principale, double designations by ANAS and by Autostrade S.p.A., then you have autostrade officially declared viabilitā statale ordinaria....... sorry, a bit too much for me, I've given up.

PS: you took all those Trieste bypass pics, didn't you?

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Old September 28th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #1394
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In Italy in 2001 the entire road and autostrada network has been identified definitively by the Parliament. In this list all RA were classified as "viabilitā statale ordinaria". But the signals were not changed, this is the problem. Moreover, the roads, when open, not always receive a number immediately, but sometimes after some months ... Trieste: sooner or later, all number will be reorganized.

However, in Italy the number of the road isn't usually used by motorists.


Yes, the photos of Wikipedia are mine.

I wrote this page: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccordo_autostradale
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Old September 28th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #1395
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However, in Italy the number of the road isn't usually used by motorists.
I can imagine why
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Old September 28th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #1396
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Example of not numbered road: "Tangenziale di Bologna" is in the signal: "tangenziale" (since 1970...)

It's RA1 only for ANAS.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #1397
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Excellent. I know this article. I hadn't known that SS15 had used to be RA18. Why's that? It's a totally ordinary 2-lane road through villages.
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #1398
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:06 PM   #1399
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Is this pavement made from concrete?
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Old September 28th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #1400
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Excellent. I know this article. I hadn't known that SS15 had used to be RA18. Why's that? It's a totally ordinary 2-lane road through villages.

The old number RA18 was only of ANAS, while the number of the signals was the SS15. The SS15 was classified as RA because it was a vital link between Italy and Slovenia. But RA wasn't in the signal.
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