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Old November 28th, 2009, 06:50 PM   #1481
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Originally A29dir was build as a "superstrada". In fact A29dir hasn't the hard shoulder.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 08:41 PM   #1482
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Where's Tunis? This was quite different scenery, much drier. The motorway looks just fine, I suppose there isn't much traffic anyway.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 12:37 AM   #1483
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I love those high viaducts crossing some plains they've built in Sicilia. Indeed, there's an even longer one at A19 between the A20 junction and Enna, but it needs some repair, they restrained it to 2 X 1 in some segments because pavement is in dire conditions.

I think those massive viaducts built over plains in rural areas are very aesthetic when looked from distance. Moreover, if the region has an intricated network of local roads, is probably not so much expensive to build a big straightway 2km viaduct for the highway instead of building, say, 10 or 15 approaches, ramps and overpasses for the local roads.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 02:56 PM   #1484
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Palermo - E90 Viale Regione Siciliana
This is a urban 2x2 expressway with hard shoulders going south of city of Palermo and connects A19 on the east and A29 on the west. It has mostly level separated intersections, but 2 are in the same level. It is managed by city of Palermo and it obviously lacks maintenance. Also there are many pedestrians crossings and collector streets run parallel.

I took only few pictures, because attention to my driving (and especially driving of others) was my highest priority. I didn't went inside the city, but I was told by some other travellers, that I should avoid entering Palermo with own vehicle at all costs, if I want to get out of it without scratches and don't want to lose my nerves because of large traffic jams.

Going westbound (A19->A29)
1 - End of A19 after this overpass


2 - Condition is bad. Collector street and on-ramp on the right.


3 - Some parts are a bit better


4 - Driver aggression is here probably the worst in EU


5 - For foreign driver it is probably the best to keep left, you have the least problems with interweaving of other vehicles and nobody will bother you about that. There are also many on-off ramps on right side.


6 - The largest level intersection ahead, it is very crowded. And don't think that there are 4 lanes here.


7 - Many beggars on this crowded intersection try to sell you things or wash your windscreen. Better to stay locked inside the car.


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Eastbound pictures:
9 - Lane discipline is virtually nonexistant.


10 - Another washing service


11 - Officially here there are two traffic lanes and one hard shoulder.


12 - An excellent example of Palermian line discipline.


13 - Before A19 there is a large roundabout. Bigger vehicle has a priority despite different traffic signage.

After that A19 begins.

Note also that Sicilian style driving is erratic and unpredictable, especially in towns and cities, but outside Palermo it is not something that average driver couldn't handle. I advise however that unexperienced drivers and old mamas and papas rather take tour buses.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 07:22 PM   #1485
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Lovely pics!
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Old December 5th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #1486
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_...state_analysis

Spain receives € 49 per capita, the lowest receiver in the EU. Highest receiver is Luxembourg at € 16170? (that can't be right) and the highest payer is - hey - the Netherlands at € - 1467

wow. nice info page...

The Netherland pays 24bill and Hungary gets 24bill.

Thank you very much guys...
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Old December 15th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #1487
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Number (provisional) of Lacotisce-Rabuiese is NSA326

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Old December 15th, 2009, 06:51 PM   #1488
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Third lane (A4 Venezia-Trieste) and Autostrada Villesse-Gorizia: official web site

http://www.commissarioterzacorsia.it/
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Old December 20th, 2009, 11:28 PM   #1489
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hi everybody! take a look at this series of videos presenting "autostrada catania-siracusa" (A? at present), just few days before the opening! it has joined catania ring with ss114 at villasmundo exit; the first leg catania(at passo martino, to be precise)-lentini opened at 29 july, the last lentini - villasmundo at 10 december, but the last 300 m of the traffic lane CT-SR are still closed in order to equal the driving surface between the ss114 e the new motorway.
http://picasaweb.google.com/3naranze...21085306650578




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Old December 23rd, 2009, 09:38 AM   #1490
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Wow Italy is so Mountainous! They must have spent a lot to develop this good network.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 01:57 PM   #1491
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 04:57 PM   #1492
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Wow Italy is so Mountainous! They must have spent a lot to develop this good network.
you bet! about 800 millions of euro and 200,000 every year for the maintenance (staff and servicing) of this new 25 km long motorway (free access at present!).
btw the video with the mountain in the background: it's the cone of etna volcano.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 12:24 AM   #1493
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That sounds like alot of money! €200 000 maintenance for 25km!
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Old December 24th, 2009, 09:16 AM   #1494
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I don't know what everything do they count in maintenance, but if 200.000 were total operational costs per year, this would be nothing too expensive.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #1495
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Yep, if you have 3 people making 8-hour shifts, then you're already out € 90.000 per year in salary alone.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #1496
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Yep, if you have 3 people making 8-hour shifts, then you're already out € 90.000 per year in salary alone.
...24h video monitoring, that is the question...
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Old December 24th, 2009, 06:25 PM   #1497
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I'm sorry I lost a figure: that's worth 2,000,000 euro per year!
Staff working on shifts: 5 on monitors, 4 squad of 4 for maintenance and in order to avoiding the holdup of the traffic in case of accident (the new motorway is 2x25 km long and there are 24 viaducts, 8360m, 10 tunnels, 11,976m, 4 cut-and-cover, 5674m).




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Old December 25th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #1498
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I guess (correct me if I'm wrong) Italy has the largest and most expensive ongoing modernization highway project: the A3 motorway from Salerno to Reggio Calabria. It's 466km long, mostly crossing a very rugged mountainious region (many strechts run over 1.000 m) with hard-rock geological features, seismic risks and dozens of special works. Estimated costs are up to € 11 billions, and work is expected to be completed by 2013 (started in 2002).

Modernization consist on expanding lanes (it was a narrow 2X2, no shoulder, 90 kph higway with thight curves and short-and-abrupt junctions) to a regular 2 X 2 with standard widht lanes and shoulder, and a lot of realignment. So far, 190km circa have been opened to traffic, and 240km circa are under construction. There are 40 km on bid process still.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #1499
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(I should complete my Sicilian trip now, or Google streetview will overtake me)
A19 - Palermo - Catania
This is 193 km long motorway, running through middle of Sicily in NW-SE direction and it was completed in 1975. It is managed by ANAS and it is therefore free of charge. It has a number of objects, mostly incredibly long viaducts and has some impressive views of nearby surroundings and Mount Etna.

Its general condition is bad to worse and general reconstruction is much needed, also lack of general maintenance doesn't help too.


1 - first some pictures of section between interchange with A20 and Palermo, direction west - Palermo on horizont


2 - in this part mainteance is generaly good, also traffic seems to be the most dense of whole A19


3 - Palermo in background


4 - now in other direction -> to east, right after Palermo


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9 - A19-A20 interchange, broken signs should be replaced, but it seems that nobody cares


10 - A19 goes right, straight forward goes to Messina over A20
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(part two)

11 - After A19-A20 interchange motorway runs through dry valley with low population


12 - grass is not cut through most of the A19


13 - first of the series of extremely long viaducts


14 - mountains of central Sicily offer really magnificent views from A19 southeast of Palermo


15 - land becomes drier and drier with less vegetation, also most of A19 runs over viaducts, even over 6 km long - in vicinity lies a regional park
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...11494&t=h&z=14


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17 - sadly fences are too high, but nice views are still magnificent, probably the best Sicily autostradas can offer.


18 - yes, no end of those viaducts


19 - a tunnel before Tremonzelli exit - after that tunnel scenery and views change


20 - going more east, viaducts are still present, but much less


21 - viaduct from nowhere to nowhere, part of never-constructed junction
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...27874&t=h&z=16


22 - Now approaching overwhelmingly large junction Resuttano (about 2400 inhabitants), probably the largest and most excessive land use in the world for a ordinary motorway junction in pretty normal terrain. See for your self:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...11494&t=h&z=14


23 - Here viaducts are too much deteriorated, so only one lane is opened (probably already for years) - in background viaduct for west direction


24 - why that amazingly large construction was built, is beyond me. But it is rumoured that Mafia wanted a lot of viaducts to get even more money for their construction business.


25 - slowly lanes come together again, after about 5 km of bifurcation. Those viaducts criss-cross entire valley and are a big eyesore in otherwise nice landscape.
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