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Old January 19th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #1541
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umpf...they come out very small
You need to use the "hotlink" link, not the thumbnail, but only if the size is reasonable (several pics of 1600px wide are usually not very much appreciated because they are too large)
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:30 PM   #1542
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A14 + RA1-Tangenziale Bologna



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Old January 22nd, 2010, 09:02 PM   #1543
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The only (?) escape lane in Italy:

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Old January 22nd, 2010, 09:42 PM   #1544
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RA1 Tangenziale di Bologna (autostrada) managed by Autostrade per l'Italia
[IMG]http://i45.************/w2hrn7.jpg[/IMG]

RA2 Salerno Avellino (autostrada) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i47.************/332qvyp.jpg[/IMG]

RA3 Firenze Siena (strada extraurbana secondaria even if dual carriageway) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i50.************/3442zc4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i47.************/52kop4.jpg[/IMG]

RA4 di Reggio Calabria (strada extraurbana principale) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i47.************/ibz9z6.jpg[/IMG]

RA5 Sicignano (A3)-Potenza (autostrada) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i50.************/se8zkm.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 24th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #1545
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RA6 Bettolle (A1) -Perugia managed by Anas

Bettolle (A1)-Tuoro: extraurbana secondaria even if dual carriageway
[IMG]http://i47.************/27wvtaw.jpg[/IMG]

Tuoro-Perugia: extraurbana principale
[IMG]http://i45.************/10ygm7l.jpg[/IMG]

RA8 Ferrara - Mare (autostrada) managed by ANAS

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RA9 A16 - Benevento (autostrada) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i47.************/2qiclsm.jpg[/IMG]

RA10 Torino - A55 - Aeroporto (autostrada) managed by ANAS with exit numbers
[IMG]http://i46.************/2dgs2vq.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 24th, 2010, 09:49 PM   #1546
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From my ski vacation, just two pictures:
A4 in direction of Milano with huge antinoise barriers:


Otherwise, I rather travel over A4 during weekends, it is still much more interesting motorway than A21. On workdays during rushhours I would rather choose A21 if going to Torino or beyond, however most transit goes north to Mont Blanc tunnel and not Frejus. A32 does not seem to be much travelled motorway except close to Torino.

Frejus tunnel entrance in Bardonecchia (I) with pretty complicated Bardonecchia junction:


Also wondering, are there any plans to make transition between A4 from Milano and Torino tangenziale (See Google Maps) more logical in terms of leading traffic flows and less complicated?

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Old January 25th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #1547
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Wow this RA8 road has a rather low standard...
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Old January 25th, 2010, 02:49 PM   #1548
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Wow this RA8 road has a rather low standard...
Yes

By the way there is a project of rebuild the RA8.



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Old January 25th, 2010, 09:42 PM   #1549
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RA12 Chieti Pescara (autostrada) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i45.************/2s0bjpg.jpg[/IMG]
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RA13 A4-Trieste (autostrada) managed by ANAS

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RA14 RA13-Fernetti (autostrada) managed by ANAS


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RA15 Tangenziale di Catania (autostrada) managed by ANAS
[IMG]http://i46.************/okn3hv.jpg[/IMG]
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RA16 A28 - Fiume Veneto (maybe strada extraurbana secondaria) managed by "Friuli Venezia Giulia S.p.A." (a company of the Region)

RA16 is a piece of a never builded autostrada.



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RA17 A4 -Slovenia (maybe strada extraurbana secondaria) managed by Autovie Venete. RA17 will be autostrada (2014).


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A53/RA7 A7-A54 (autostrada with old standard) managed by Milano Serravalle - Milano Tangenziale. RA7/A53 will be autostrada with modern standard (2013)
[IMG]http://i50.************/dg0aky.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 26th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #1550
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Uhm, that is my RA!
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Old January 27th, 2010, 05:19 PM   #1551
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The areas north and northwest of Milano are also heavily urbanized, this continues all the way to Lago Maggiore and Lago di Como, that is 40 - 50 km outside central Milano. Not to mention A4 is the only east-west connection in an urbanized area of a few million people. The Provincia di Milano has a population of 3.117.000 and 1,8 million of them live outside the Milano city proper, mostly to the north.

This is what the area north of Milano looks like:
[IMG]http://i49.************/j7wbvs.jpg[/IMG]
As Eddard said Milan's metro area is about 7/8 mio people (about your figure of Milan's province: the datus is the province without the territory of the new Province of Monza, born in 2009 - a nonsense: being conurbated with Milan, but Italian politics work that way -
The old province of Milan (which had more or less the size of Greater London) got about 4 mio inhabitants. One of the densest part of it (a piece of northern Milan province) became Monza province, and it is exactly the area you posted

Anyway: in a radium of 60 km from Milan's city center there are 7.5 mio people livin'; mostly on Northern part, bewtween Bergamo and Varese

All this territory has even a huge presence of industrial settlements which add heavy traffic to commuters one (commuters who do not commute just on Milan but all over this territory)
The problem is the lack of East-West infrastructures (not just motoways: even 'simple' roads and rails): Pedemontana will be very usefull, but I think it will be not enough... infact someone is thinkin' to build a second East West motorway: a direct link between Bergamo and Como

Northern Milan between Bergamo and Varese
[IMG]http://i48.************/729f78.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 27th, 2010, 09:34 PM   #1552
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Are there any plans for widening A4 through Milano between A50 and A51 or at least some upgrade, like adding emergency lanes?
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Old January 27th, 2010, 09:46 PM   #1553
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That would be problematic:
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Old January 27th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #1554
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That is only on some shorter parts. I think it is doable, although costly. Rearranging interchanges and junctions would also help considerably. I don't see much point in widening A4 to 4+4 on sections Milano-Novarra and Milano-Bergamo-Brescia without widening connecting and most problematic section.
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Old January 27th, 2010, 10:02 PM   #1555
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There are a lot of properties in the way of a possible right-of-way for a serious widening. I think, if you are gonna widen this section at a high cost, I would widen it immediately to 12 lanes: 4x3 with a local/express setup.

East of A52 and west of A8 would be easier, but the main problem is between. I agree with you this section should have a serious priority. Acquiring a right-of-way for a parallel motorway further north would also mean a huge amount of eminent domain and subsequent high cost.
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Old January 27th, 2010, 10:11 PM   #1556
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Tangenziale sud di Vicenza (no number) managed by "Autostrada Brescia-Verona-Vicenza-Padova" with exit numbers. Strada extraurbana principale.
[IMG]http://i48.************/2whkq6h.jpg[/IMG]
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Tangenziale est di Verona (no number) managed by "Autostrada Brescia-Verona-Vicenza-Padova". Strada extraurbana principale.
[IMG]http://i45.************/mc9r1v.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 27th, 2010, 10:43 PM   #1557
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East of A52
That is already done (pictured by me on previous page).
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Old January 28th, 2010, 09:48 AM   #1558
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There are a lot of properties in the way of a possible right-of-way for a serious widening. I think, if you are gonna widen this section at a high cost, I would widen it immediately to 12 lanes: 4x3 with a local/express setup.

East of A52 and west of A8 would be easier, but the main problem is between. I agree with you this section should have a serious priority. Acquiring a right-of-way for a parallel motorway further north would also mean a huge amount of eminent domain and subsequent high cost.
the project is to transform the emergency lane into a "dynamic" fourth lane as don in Bologna bypass

It shall be doable without too many troubles. The only problem is where the exit of Sesto San Giovanni is (the picture above)

Consider however that we will have 2 alternatives north of A4 in a matter of years: tangenziale north (which will be completed) and pedemontana. THat shall reduce the traffic on the hurban stretch of A4 considerably, as people coming from east and south will not use it anymore to go towards Malpensa/Switzerland/north of Milan
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Old January 28th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #1559
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the project is to transform the emergency lane into a "dynamic" fourth lane as don in Bologna bypass

It shall be doable without too many troubles. The only problem is where the exit of Sesto San Giovanni is (the picture above)
Actually that is Cormano

That's Sesto San Giovanni

[IMG]http://i48.************/2mqtf8o.jpg[/IMG]

For the so called urban stretch of A4 there was even the proposal in the past to build a tunnel or a second motorway over the old stretch (as the secundo piso on Mexico City bypass)
Too much expensive and, regarding the viaduct proposal, with a huge impact on the environment, as thousands people live too close to the motorway... anyway those proposal remained just simple ideas, not serious projects
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Old January 28th, 2010, 06:16 PM   #1560
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Actually that is Cormano

That's Sesto San Giovanni

[IMG]http://i48.************/2mqtf8o.jpg[/IMG]

For the so called urban stretch of A4 there was even the proposal in the past to build a tunnel or a second motorway over the old stretch (as the secundo piso on Mexico City bypass)
Too much expensive and, regarding the viaduct proposal, with a huge impact on the environment, as thousands people live too close to the motorway... anyway those proposal remained just simple ideas, not serious projects
sorry my mistake

Anyway from pictures you can see that most of the times the emergency lane is already there: widening it to become a "dynamic" fourth lane shouldn't be a huge problem.

The ecception being the place above: Sesto S.Giovanni is a mess. I do not know how to solve it.
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