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Old July 23rd, 2007, 06:16 PM   #141
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What a chaotic mess.

How wide are the motorways around Milano?
Motorways and bypasses around Milan got at least 3 lanes

The problem with A4 is that in inner city is used like a bypass adding the local traffic to the long distance traffic (with many many trucks)
But to be honest the local traffic in the wide metro area congests A4 from Brescia to Novara

Now they're upgrading A4 from Bergamo to Milan and from Milan to Magenta (just before Ticino river) to 4 lanes + emergency lane
Unfortunately the stretch they're not upgrading yet (even because there are some tecnical problems due to the massive urbanization) is the stretch just in the middle, the most urban you can see in the pic

However 4 lanes can't be enough for a motorway near to the collapse: infact they're going to start the construcion of so called Pedemontana, a motorway bypassing the metro area about 20 km North (and that will be part of a system of bypasses which will create a ring of 60 km of diameter around Milan) and a direct link, called BreBeMi, from Milan to Brescia
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Old July 24th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #142
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This was the situation of Milan motorways in 2000

[IMG]http://i14.************/5xqlzer.jpg[/IMG]

This ones the web around Milan when completed (projects are of 2001: something changed nowadays; and something -very few- was already built)

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A schematic drawn of a (possible) future scenario of Northern Italy main motorways

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source: http://www.pim.mi.it/News/Cartelle%20dati/Ismllo.zip
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Old July 24th, 2007, 07:19 PM   #143
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Probably a more clear (and surely a more updated) map of the future web of Milan is that one I already posted in the first page of this thread

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Old July 24th, 2007, 07:33 PM   #144
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An aerial pic of so called Certosa interchange (A8/A4) in Milan

The shot is very old: I'm sure the pic is of 1987 (!)... but I love it so much

[IMG]http://i9.************/643vz29.jpg[/IMG]
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Old July 24th, 2007, 09:47 PM   #145
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Why is Milano only so urbanized spread-out to the north?
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Old July 25th, 2007, 11:11 AM   #146
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There are many reasons

But historrically Northern Milan is the place where manufacture factories developped most, then even urbanization; while South historically is the place for agricultural

Then there is no a metropolitan area figure to manage urban settlements, so after the second world war (when the hinterland urbanization began to rise) till now the municipalities in the North, historically less 'rural', could better increase their population and urban area
Nowadays even the South begins a more 'heavy' urbanization, just because in the North there is no more place...




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Old July 28th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #147
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One of the most important development of the italian network, the "Passante of Mestre", is going fast.

The first part will be probably completed 300 days in advance.

The inauguration would take place between the 2nd and the 6th of August.
Which year?

No really, as of yesterday, there still about one month of work to be done on connection to A4. And when looking at almost empty construction yards, I doubt even in this one month.

Anyway, picture of typical morning rush-hour on A4 by Mestre. Picture was taken after one hour of slow stop&go traffic though about 10 km of motorway.



(more pictures are to come, especially of south Italy)
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Old July 28th, 2007, 05:28 PM   #148
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just spent a week going up and down the autostradas on holiday, and Italian drivers are mental!

Much better quality road surfaces than here in Britain though
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Old July 28th, 2007, 05:58 PM   #149
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Bergamo

[IMG]http://i11.************/4lhb1bk.jpg[/IMG]

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Brescia

[IMG]http://i10.************/4uwn6lt.jpg[/IMG]

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Old July 28th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #150
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Of course, not all autostradas look so shiny and modern as on previous pictures. They can also look "somehow" different. Can you guess, where could this be?

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Old July 28th, 2007, 08:39 PM   #151
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ayayayayay, omfg! Sicilia, or something very south
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Old July 28th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #152
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Calabria?
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Old July 29th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #153
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I was in the Catania area for a day on May 10th, 2007, here are some Autostrade pictures:

[IMG]http://i9.************/61wz21c.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i16.************/504qcs4.jpg[/IMG]
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Catania is my newly adopted city. I loved that place.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 12:31 AM   #155
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What a mess there. Everything south of Rome in Italy is worse, i've heard. The A3 southbound to Reggio Calabria was one of the worst motorways ever. But pics of that road are very rare.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 01:18 AM   #156
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Well, the motorway's in FM's pictures may not be all tidy and with shiny crashbarriers (), but they look OK.
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bad signage, bad pavement, narrow emergency lanes, plants almost over the roadway, 40km/h exits. Not my ideal of a safe motorway
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The emergency lanes look ok to me. Maybe not as wide as in other autostradas, but ok.
The pavement in the first photos is excelent. In the last 3 photos the pavement is bad but nothing shocking.
As for the 40km/h exits, I'm under the impression that's usual in Italy (signaling the speed limit after the exit on the motorway signaling). I would say that this is due to that unusual signaling system and not to the fact that the exit is particularlly dangerous.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 03:08 AM   #159
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bad signage, bad pavement, narrow emergency lanes, plants almost over the roadway, 40km/h exits. Not my ideal of a safe motorway
Most of the pavement on that stretch of highway was very smooth. Hell if you've been to Interstate 10 in Louisiana then you'll see what bad pavement is.

As for the 40km/h exit that was for the service station but I never got a picture of the speed signage for the Giarre Exit. That exit seemed pretty good to me.

Interestingly I never knew I'd be contributing pictures to a thread about the Autostrade. I had the choice of visting Venice or Sicily for a day and I picked Catania. I pretty much got a full length tour of Italy in one week and I noticed from the 3 main cities I went to Milano was the cleanest, Roma was kinda filthy(lots of grafitti) and Catania was pretty dirty as well.

Besides all that I can't wait to visit Italy again and actually drive around with a better expectation of how people drive over there. Driving in Catania was a nightmare on the streets. I'm surprised I didn't see any car accidents while I was there.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 12:04 PM   #160
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i don't like those plants all around the road. those pines above motorway may be pitoresque, but they make signs invisible. pavement is at some photos good, some bad. at all, it is understandable that motorway is not maintained well.
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