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Old May 22nd, 2010, 05:59 PM   #1601
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driving tips in case of fog (from autostrade website):
the first sign: look out at the half dot on the tarmac;
the 2d and 3d: if you see x half dot then drive at y speed
these signs were experimental. In fact these signals are not present in the "codice della strada"
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Old May 24th, 2010, 10:43 AM   #1602
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Those fog alert signals are also along the A9 (Lainate - Como - Chiasso).
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Old May 24th, 2010, 12:47 PM   #1603
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Indeed you see them on many roads in the flat North of Italy. I've never checked the white lining on the right-hand side of the road though. The orange signs on the left are a much easier indicator of how far you can see. Particularly in foggy conditions, because those white semi-circles merge with the white fog. That may be the reason why the white semi-circles are no longer painted along many motorways.

Eventually, a speed limit in foggy conditions makes much more sense than some half-hearted signs that give you a recommendation in case of fog. As if Italians are likely to follow-up on that type of recommendation (they can't even adhere to recommendations that you should actually use the outer lane on a 3+3-road). The problem is of course in the definition of "fog", i.e. at which visibility will drivers consider themselves bound by the lower speed limit. But I guess that that is a problem everywhere in the World. Common sense should be leading here. Accidents like the one reported above show that common sense is not always the common denominator of drivers on a particular road.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 12:38 PM   #1604
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I went to Italy last week. It's incredible that the autostrada A10, which continues french autoroute A8, has no shoulder. That's really a s***!
In another hand, the "raccordo autostradale" SI-FI needs a new pavement now. Even the pavement of spanish A-23 just south of Huesca was better when it got new pavement. And I saw those signs of fog in A13! (Although the day I passed there was really clear.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #1605
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I went to Italy last week. It's incredible that the autostrada A10, which continues french autoroute A8, has no shoulder.
A1 Bologna-Firenze has no hard shoulder too, and many others mostly very old, but some even newer (like A32 Torino-Frejus), exclusively on mountainous terrain.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 11:48 AM   #1606
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I went to Italy last week. It's incredible that the autostrada A10, which continues french autoroute A8, has no shoulder. That's really a s***!
In another hand, the "raccordo autostradale" SI-FI needs a new pavement now. Even the pavement of spanish A-23 just south of Huesca was better when it got new pavement. And I saw those signs of fog in A13! (Although the day I passed there was really clear.
it's a ol highway made exclusively of tunnels and bridges...rebuilding it would have an enormous cost (just look at A3 construction pictures...)
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Old June 20th, 2010, 12:09 PM   #1607
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It does have frequent SOS niches, something the A8 with its not-very-wide emergency lanes doesn't have. And the lighting in the tunnels is much better on the A10 (going from bright sunlight to what feels like complete darkness in the tunnels on the A8 is unpleasant). But, it's noticeable how much narrower the road gets when coming from France.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #1608
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That is because the Italian sector was build before the French one. Indeed, in "good old days" Italy has the 2nd largest highway network in Europe after (then) West Germany. Now we are behind Germany, UK, France and Spain
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Old June 20th, 2010, 10:48 PM   #1609
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UK Motorway network ??? behind ???
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Old June 20th, 2010, 11:25 PM   #1610
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The UK motorway network is not very large, but many cities are served by the same motorway. The geography of the UK does not allow for many long-distance (400+ km) motorways, nor does it in Italy. Both countries have maybe 4 or 5 really long motorways, the rest are regionals or spurs.

This is different in Germany, France or Spain, which are expansive both east-west and north-south, allowing for much more motorway mileage. Turkey is another country which has the potential for a 10.000+ km motorway network.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 01:43 PM   #1611
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This map shows all autostrade/category A (green).

List:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_in_Italia

This map also shows all 17 RA-raccordi autostradali.
Raccordi autostradali are all two lanes and are all two carriageways.
Raccordi autostradali can be classified as:
*autostrada/category A (green)
*strada extraurbana principale/category B (blue)
*strada extraurbana secondaria/category C (blue) with two carriageways and with access restrictions. In this case the emergency lane is often absent.

List: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccord...i_autostradali

This map also shows superstrade longer than 30 km (blue).
Superstrada can be classified as:
*strada extraurbana principale (category B)
*strada extraurbana secondaria (category C) with two carriageways (with access restrictions or without; with emergency lane or without)

List:
Superstrade > 30km: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superst...giate_separate


(C) Gigillo83 @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...uperstrade.svg

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Old June 23rd, 2010, 01:54 PM   #1612
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Well... If A32 doesn't have shoulder too...
About that map, I would extend the A26 north up to Iselle, and I would build a new "traforo del Sempione" or Simplon Tunnel.

Besides that way, I'm surprised that Crotone uses KR as provincial code. If I don't see a plate with those letters I wouldn't believe it... Or it's Krotone?
(I know that KR is because the other combinations weren't avalaible)
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:08 PM   #1613
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Or it's Krotone?
Kroton is the old name
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:09 PM   #1614
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Not excatly motorways, but ...

What means prefix ZA on licence plates? They are found everywhere over Italy and are (at least by my observance) mostly used on all-terrain vehicles. Army maybe?
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ZA used to be assigned to Zadar when it was an Italian city.

Try here:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targhe_...tiche_italiane
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:19 PM   #1616
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If the rear plate is square, the numbering scheme starts from ZA 000 AA


http://www.targheitaliane.it/index_i.html


http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polizialocale.JPG

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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:20 PM   #1617
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A Simplon road tunnel would lead to nearly nothing as there is no road towards north. The road today has an AADT of about 2.500.

http://maps.google.ch/?ie=UTF8&ll=46...,1.159058&z=10

And as you said, for Crotone, other combinations are already used.

CC Corpo Carabinieri (but on plates, CC is shown in red)
CR Cremona
CO Como
CT Catania
CO Como
CN Cuneo
CE Caserta

ZA plates are used mainly on all terrain, but also on some imported American vehicles (including buses, I have seen a schoolbus with that kind of plate). ZA series is near the end so we will soon see plates like ZB 000 AA and so on. Other special plates are those in YA 000 AA created recently for the local police. The normal series is now at ED 000 AA.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 02:33 PM   #1618
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A Simplon road tunnel would lead to nearly nothing as there is no road towards north. The road today has an AADT of about 2.500.

http://maps.google.ch/?ie=UTF8&ll=46...,1.159058&z=10
Yeah, but with an extension of the swiss A9 it would create a more direct corridor from Milan to Northwestern Europe.

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And as you said, for Crotone, other combinations are already used.

CC Corpo Carabinieri (but on plates, CC is shown in red)
CR Cremona
CO Como
CT Catania
CO Como (Again)
CN Cuneo
CE Caserta.
Cremona could use CM and then Crotone would have CR. (But I believe this change will never happen)
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 03:01 PM   #1619
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The A9 is already under construction towards the pass road, with opening planned in 2015.

Crotone's province was created in 1992, so it's certainly the newer of these provinces.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 10:54 PM   #1620
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how to behave ?

good day collegues,

this weekend I will be visiting Italy for my first time.

what is the safe speed I can do on Italian highways not to be caught by police ?

I understand that the speed limit is 130 km/h, but what if I keep 150 km/h ? will I draw police attention ?


what it the most common speed check-points ? non-marked police cars or stationary speed traps ?
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