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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:02 PM   #1661
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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:27 PM   #1662
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Any more detail about that? 2012 is only 18 months away. Will be satelite, microwave or vignette based?
No official details.

By the way I don't think vignette...
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:12 AM   #1663
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it shall be free-flow system similar to Tutor
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:36 AM   #1664
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I wouldn't mind paying tolls in ANAS highways as long as they keep them at par with those manages by the private concessionaires. I wouldn't mind paying tolls at all if they finish the A3 sooner rather than later.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:50 AM   #1665
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This map shows all autostrade/category A (green).

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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_in_Italia

This map also shows all 17 RA-raccordi autostradali.
Raccordi autostradali are all two lanes and are all two carriageways.
Raccordi autostradali can be classified as:
*autostrada/category A (green)
*strada extraurbana principale/category B (blue)
*strada extraurbana secondaria/category C (blue) with two carriageways and with access restrictions. In this case the emergency lane is often absent.

List: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccord...i_autostradali

This map also shows superstrade longer than 30 km (blue).
Superstrada can be classified as:
*strada extraurbana principale (category B)
*strada extraurbana secondaria (category C) with two carriageways (with access restrictions or without; with emergency lane or without)

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Superstrade > 30km: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superst...giate_separate


(C) Gigillo83 @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...uperstrade.svg
I like this map: it's difficult to find a map where Autostrade and Superstrade are so clearly shown together...
I think the best one are the Michelin maps, but they're not so complete
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:58 AM   #1666
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i know, but i tell you, those signs dissappeared, at least at A21, and there was a plenty of them before. now it looks like this:

I hate 'em... if you don't know Italian you can't understand what they're refferring at.

The old ones were more intuitive
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Old July 1st, 2010, 02:22 AM   #1667
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I like this map: it's difficult to find a map where Autostrade and Superstrade are so clearly shown together...
I think the best one are the Michelin maps, but they're not so complete
It's missing Biella-Cossano superstrada (express road). I live near Ivrea.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 09:29 AM   #1668
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I hate 'em... if you don't know Italian you can't understand what they're refferring at.

The old ones were more intuitive
"in case of fog" ?

Nebbia sounds like German Nebel or Dutch Nevel.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 12:00 PM   #1669
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"in case of fog" ?

Nebbia sounds like German Nebel or Dutch Nevel.
Spot on, well done.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 12:02 PM   #1670
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"in case of fog" ?

Nebbia sounds like German Nebel or Dutch Nevel.
Yes, that is "in case of fog".

I think we need to standardize such signals across Europe like we have those pictograms for rulings applying to car or trucks only, for instance: three uniform symbols to be attached in mandatory signals (speed, do not pass etc.) for fog, rain and snow.

I also think we need an uniform symbols for the signs reading "except" + picture of vehicles... To much confusion with exceto, ecceto, sauf, uitgerzonged, etc.

We also need an uniform signalization for environmental restriction on trucks and cars based on Euro standards instead of each country using their own regulations.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:22 PM   #1671
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It's missing Biella-Cossano superstrada (express road). I live near Ivrea.
Maybe because it is less than 30 km long (as specified on the 'legenda' only >30 kms superstrada are in the map: infact there are many of 'em missing, for istance the web in Naples metro
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Old July 5th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #1672
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An unofficial map of the A31 southern extension, drawn by davide84 on the Italian forum.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 11:19 PM   #1673
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and here a picture of the construction

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IL CANTIERE AVANZA. Il sindaco Lotto: «Per fortuna in fase progettuale qualche miglioria è stata fatta. E l'opera sarà utile per lo sviluppo della Bassa»


Guai viabilistici per Montegalda: «Ma ora c'è l'intesa per la bretella sull'Ostiglia» Problemi a Montegaldella: «Ghizzole ko»


Un’inedita foto aerea dei lavori della Valdastico Sud
Vicenza. La "ferita" indubbiamente c'è. E, vista dall'alto, sembra anche di vaste proporzioni. Ma tant'è: i problemi alla viabilità hanno bisogno di soluzioni; e questa è una delle tante previste.
L'autostrada "Valdastico Sud" è ormai da tempo un enorme cantiere; e i lavori, soprattutto nel tratto vicentino, sono ormai in fase abbastanza avanzata.
Ma non tutte le polemiche si sono spente; e alcune speranze sono tuttora accese.
«C'è una sofferenza per così dire storica nella viabilità della zona - spiega Riccardo Lotto sindaco di Montegalda - E ora si è aggravata con il traffico per i cantieri dell'autostrada. La provinciale "Grimana" è ormai da anni al collasso».
E le prospettive?
Oggi c'è un'intesa fra Longare, Castegnero, Grisignano, Montegaldella e Montegalda per un'alternativa, condivisa anche dalla Provincia e in particolare dall'assessore alla viabilità Costantino Toniolo. Si tratta del prolungamento della bretella sull'Ostiglia. Certo, sarebbe stato meglio se gli amministratori locali si fossero mossi prima.
Quali disagi ha sofferto Montegalda?
La frazione di Colzè è stata praticamente "tagliata" dal capoluogo. Capisco che non è facile inserire nuove strade nel paesaggio, e per fortuna in fase progettuale qualche miglioria è stata apportata.
Ma la "Valdastico Sud" è vista maggiormente come un'opportunità o come una ferita all'ambiente?
Diciamo che Montegalda, dal punto di vista autostradale, è già ben servita: i caselli di Vicenza Est e Grisignano sono vicini. Con un ragionamento meno egoistico e localistico va detto che sarà utile per le aree che sono un po' depresse, quelle della Bassa. Insomma, sacrifici necessari, anche se forse alcuni particolari potevano essere studiati meglio.
Da Montegaldella, invece, una voce critica è quella di Giamprospero Marcolin, capogruppo della minoranza in consiglio comunale. «A suo tempo - esordisce - quando si trattò di approvare il progetto, io fui contrario, anche se in Provincia facevo parte della maggioranza (ma in Comune della minoranza, come ora). Però poi il progetto è ugualmente andato avanti».
Ma sono di più i costi o i benefici?
Indubbiamente - sorride Marcolin - per i proprietari dei terreni si è trattato di un beneficio: ne hanno ricavato un bel po' di soldi. Ma, al di là della battuta, è indubbio che c'è stata una certa devastazione del territorio. È stata sacrificata l'area di Ghizzole, la zona più fertile. Più a sud i problemi sono minori. Sì, ci sono anche i benefici, come il miglioramento della viabilità, ma il prezzo da pagare - obietta Marcolin - è alto. E poi ci sono anche altri problemi.
Che sarebbero?
Va bene l'autostrada, ma deve essere migliorata anche la viabilità locale. La strada da Montegaldella a Ghizzole, ad esempio, è inadeguata; e lo sarà ancora di più. Di questo si doveva tener conto al momento del progetto, e non pensarci solo adesso.



http://www.ilgiornaledivicenza.it/st...che_per_serve/


la notizia è piuttosto datata ma è tanto per riportare in vita il thread...

cmq mi chiedo l'utilità di questo tracciato
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Old July 6th, 2010, 04:37 PM   #1674
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I didn't know that

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Noise protection wall with integrated solar panels

In 2009, Brenner Motorway collaborated with the community of Isera to erect the first high-performance solar-powered noise protection wall in Italy.

This sound absorbing wall, installed to protect the provincial town of Marano located between km 160+017 and km 161+084 on the southbound stretch of the Brenner Motorway, has two functions: firstly, to protect the houses in the municipal area of Isera (TN) in accordance with the plan for noise reduction and abatement from the noise pollution generated by motorway traffic; secondly, to generate energy by means of the 5036 m2 of cladding constructed from monocrystalline silicon solar panels (the photovoltaic system uses the noise protection wall as its support structure).

The large expanse of the noise protection wall - with a length of 1067 m and an average height of 5.6 m - allows this surface to accommodate 3944 photovoltaic modules which can provide an annual output of approx. 690,00 KWh.

With regard to the photovoltaics, the cross section of the protective wall, which consists of two different sections at angles of 60 and 35 degrees, is particularly effective (the first, approx. 3.20 m long section has an angle of 60 degrees, the second, approx. 1.6 m long section is angled at 35 degrees along the horizontal axis.




From the electrical power perspective, given the generator capacity, the transmission of the energy produced and its transmission to the public network is effected via medium voltage lines, by converting the field voltage from 230V to 20,000 V.
http://www.autobrennero.it/en/Techni...solar-panels-/

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Old July 6th, 2010, 04:56 PM   #1675
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Old July 6th, 2010, 05:33 PM   #1676
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I wonder if people get blinded by the glare. I remember a glass noise wall near Arnhem, Netherlands, where people got blinded by glare all the time.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 11:00 AM   #1677
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Why in Italy, don't you put anti-corrosion protection on your protective barriers? They are all rusty and it doesn't look nice in contrast to the noise screen which are very cool.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 11:34 AM   #1678
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Why in Italy, don't you put anti-corrosion protection on your protective barriers? They are all rusty and it doesn't look nice in contrast to the noise screen which are very cool.
Those barriers are made of Corten steel, that's why they look like that.
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Infact on A22 they use that kind of guardrails (more expensive, but more safe) for choice: we debated on that previously in the thread.
In the rest of Italian web they use 'ordinary' barrier, more shiny but less safe
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Old July 7th, 2010, 04:44 PM   #1680
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Why in Italy, don't you put anti-corrosion protection on your protective barriers? They are all rusty and it doesn't look nice in contrast to the noise screen which are very cool.
Actually those guardrails on the A22 are some of the most sophisticated type of barriers available.
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