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Old July 9th, 2010, 01:37 AM   #1681
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I hope I'm asking this on the right thread.
There is an intriguing road in western Basilicata. It seems to be 1+1, grade separated, lots of viaducts and tunnels, of which at least two are longer than 1km, if they are indeed finished, as only part of the road seems to be in use, other parts being either neglected or never completed.
The northern end is in Campania:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.8843506...7&z=16&l=0&m=s
After a few hundred meters the road enters Basilicata and for some kms it seems to be in use as a local road. After two exits it seems to be left in ruins, never completed. This is the part where the main tunnels are or were planned to be, one of them under the village of Castelgrande.
The southern part is again in use, as SS 94 dir. It ends here:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.6180897...7&z=16&l=0&m=h
The whole thing must be around 50km long.

Does anybody have any info on this project?
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Old July 9th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #1682
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There are some quite long tunnels there. I wonder whether they are really opened to traffic.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #1683
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Google Maps doesn't want to use that road. Middle part looks abandoned already long time ago. Probably it would be a nice bicycle ride now.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #1684
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Just to be sure before leaving:

Which of these two mean a 50 km/h limit?
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Plus does this sign mean I have to drive 30km/h troughout the whole village?

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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #1685
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1. First picture.
2. Yes.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #1686
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It's piss off in Italian? At least in Spanish yes.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #1687
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It's piss off in Italian? At least in Spanish yes.
Yep, it is
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Old July 11th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #1688
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Why in Italy, don't you put anti-corrosion protection on your protective barriers? They are all rusty and it doesn't look nice in contrast to the noise screen which are very cool.
No please, not again....
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Old July 11th, 2010, 12:36 AM   #1689
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I wonder if people get blinded by the glare. I remember a glass noise wall near Arnhem, Netherlands, where people got blinded by glare all the time.
I wonder if it depends on some sort of "crystal polarization" but...it looks dull from street level. No glare.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 11:30 AM   #1690
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I found where is Orino! It's in Northern Italy, in VArese province.
Update: last June, when I was in Italy, I clinched almost 1000 kilometers of autostrade: http://cmap.m-plex.com/stat/travsumm...ort=ra&du=km#t. (And an extra of 4.5 km in Portugal last summer )
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Old July 12th, 2010, 06:18 PM   #1691
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I wonder if it depends on some sort of "crystal polarization" but...it looks dull from street level. No glare.
I don't know much about American guard rails, I just know that they're very shiny when they're new, but then they turn a dull light gray. Only the very oldest are rusty, and those are rare.
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Old July 12th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #1692
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I don't know much about American guard rails, I just know that they're very shiny when they're new, but then they turn a dull light gray. Only the very oldest are rusty, and those are rare.
My post referred to the glare from the solar panels, not the crash barriers.

Corten steel requires no galvanization and it maintains mechanical properties, mainly elasticity through the years. It's intrinsically safer. Nice looks make no safety. it's rather expensive though, a good 30% more than standar hi-yield steel like S355J2H (which is above ASTM A 500 C)
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:44 AM   #1693
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Hi to everybody!
I don't know if you know this incredibly stupid piece of junction between A16 and A14 in Southern Italy, near Canosa:



See anything strange? No? Let's look closer:




If you come from A16 and take the junction to the A14 northbound, you will enter the traffic of the A14... directly in the overtaking lane!

When I first read about this I was shocked...
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:55 AM   #1694
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I can't really see it -- seems the left lane of the A 14 firstes merges with the right lane, and then the A 16 traffic is somming fom the left, already merges to one land, and forming the left line of A 14.

Not much difference to a solution where the A 14 traffic merges and then has to merge again to traffic coming from the A 16. That would make sense if the most traffic would be going A 16 - A 14, but that seems not to be the case.

With an appropriate speed limit that doesn't cause any problems in my opionion, unless that junction would be heavily congested.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:59 AM   #1695
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I can't really see it -- seems the left lane of the A 14 firstes merges with the right lane, and then the A 16 traffic is somming fom the left, already merges to one land, and forming the left line of A 14.
No, it's as g.spinoza said; it's visible better in GE. I didn't know about it either, but I think it's pretty bad for an important motorway like the A14. At least there probably isn't a lot of traffic coming from the A16. Too bad it isn't covered by Google Street View, although it comes very close.

It's also interesting that the A14 crosses the 4-lane SS16 a little further towards Foggia, but without an actual interchange between them. How do drivers get from Bari to Cerignola?

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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:20 PM   #1696
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It's also interesting that the A14 crosses the 4-lane SS16 a little further towards Foggia, but without an actual interchange between them. How do drivers get from Bari to Cerignola?
They'll have to take the A16 at the intersection I've shown before and then take the Cerignola Ovest exit, on the SS529. Or go further north on the A14 and take the Cerignola Est exit. Either way, the path is longer than it would be if there was an interchange between the Autostrada and the SS16, so yes, it's stupid.

It is interesting to notice that Cerignola Ovest (Cerignola West) is actually south of Cerignola, while Cerignola East is north
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:39 PM   #1697
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Anyway I think it is worse the intersection with A10 and A26 in Genova Voltri

http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ie=...10836&t=k&z=17
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:09 PM   #1698
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I don't find this interconnections so dangerous.
I have seen a lot of this kind of interconnections accross Europe.

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Consider the interconnection between A1 and A2 in Switzerland in direction Gottard

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Old July 22nd, 2010, 03:10 PM   #1699
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Well it's complicated but it doesn't seem to be dangerous per se...
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 04:00 PM   #1700
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Are you referring at my post?

Actually it is dangerous because coming from A10 in direction Milan you get in A26 on the overtaking lane, after an upward steeped ramp
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