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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #1881
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Awesome. I made a video of A8 from Milano to Gallarate.

What I didn't like was the turn from A50 to A8 from south to west. After you've left this massive toll plaza, you'll enter a very tight left-turn to merge with A8 just after their toll plaza. An easy place for queues.

What is the speed limit on A8? I didn't notice any signs, so I guess it was 130 km/h, which surprised me considering A8 is very busy throughout the day. Most countries would impose a lower speed limit, like 100 or 110 km/h. The Tangenziale Ovest di Milano (A50) is limited at 90 km/h all the way if I'm correct. (which is too slow, 110 would be better).

Although modern-day A8 doesn't resemble anything from the 1920's Autostrada (the first in Italy!), you can still see its dead-straight alignment between Milano and that big curve near Gallarate.

By the way, I noticed they are rebuilding the A8-A9 interchange near Lainate. Is that to accommodate the new lanes of A9? It looked like a fly-over from Gallarate to Como.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #1882
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The last photo shows the HSL Milan-Turin passing over the A50 (in the background) and the SS33 (in the foreground, this one passes also under the A50).

http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...19205&t=h&z=16
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #1883
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By the way, I noticed they are rebuilding the A8-A9 interchange near Lainate. Is that to accommodate the new lanes of A9? It looked like a fly-over from Gallarate to Como.
Today the A9 merge on the A8 from the left. This will rebuilt, a bridge will bring the southbound A9 carriageway to the right so it can merge with the A8 from the right. The A9 from there until Como toll station is being enlarged to 3 lanes, and the section from A8-A9 interchange to A8-A50 interchange (and toll station) will be enlarged to 5 lanes.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #1884
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and the section from A8-A9 interchange to A8-A50 interchange (and toll station) will be enlarged to 5 lanes.
I've read about that. The works have started on A9, but not yet on A8, when will they start widening A8 to 2x5 lanes?
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:31 PM   #1885
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The final project for the widening is under completion.
By the end of the year it will be presented to local authorities and probably, by the end of the next year, they will start with the preparatory works.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:35 PM   #1886
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BTW, as regards the A9, tomorrow I'll drive along that Autostrada and I'll have a look to the works involved.
Stay tuned.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #1887
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By the way, I noticed they are rebuilding the A8-A9 interchange near Lainate. Is that to accommodate the new lanes of A9? It looked like a fly-over from Gallarate to Como.
They'll re-design the interchange, completely.
The new merge from the A9 to the A8 will not be on the lane on the extreme left ("acceleration lane"), but on the extreme right, as it's supposed to be.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 01:15 PM   #1888
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A8+A4 around Milan
Wrong: there's no A4 in those photos.

-First pic: A8 crossing Lainate and separating the residential area by the industrial one. It's near the Villoresi channel.
-second pic: A8 near Lainate, just 1 or 2 KMs before the toll station. Easy to recognize the area thanks to that Autogrill rest area.
-third pic: the very intricate complex of interchanges near the new Fair of Milan. You can see the A50 just 1 or 2 KMs after the toll station of Terrazzano. You can also recognize the most recent part of the bypass of the new Fair of Milan, converging directly in the SS33 (Statale del Sempione). And you can also see the last stretch of the TAV (high speed railway) Torino-Milano.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 02:21 PM   #1889
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Wrong: there's no A4 in those photos.

-First pic: A8 crossing Lainate and separating the residential area by the industrial one. It's near the Villoresi channel.
-second pic: A8 near Lainate, just 1 or 2 KMs before the toll station. Easy to recognize the area thanks to that Autogrill rest area.
-third pic: the very intricate complex of interchanges near the new Fair of Milan. You can see the A50 just 1 or 2 KMs after the toll station of Terrazzano. You can also recognize the most recent part of the bypass of the new Fair of Milan, converging directly in the SS33 (Statale del Sempione). And you can also see the last stretch of the TAV (high speed railway) Torino-Milano.
I recognised the TAV so I thought the highway was A4, well...sorry
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Old September 4th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #1890
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Although modern-day A8 doesn't resemble anything from the 1920's Autostrada (the first in Italy!), you can still see its dead-straight alignment between Milano and that big curve near Gallarate.
some would say the first of the world...all though as you know it's controversial
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Old September 4th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #1891
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some would say the first of the world...all though as you know it's controversial
Yes. I've done some studying, but it remains hard to tell;

* 1908: Long Island Motor Parkway - single lane, but grade-separated
* 1921: AVUS (modern-day A115), Berlin - racetrack, not for all purpose traffic
* 1924: Autostrada dei Laghi - single lane, but completely grade-separated
* 1925: Bronx River Parkway, New York - multilane, but not completely grade separated nor medians.
* 1932: A555 Köln - Bonn - multilane, no median
* 1935: A5 Frankfurt - Darmstad - multilane, grade separated, median, probably first modern motorway in the world.
* 1937: A12 Zoetermeer - Den Haag - multilane, grade separated, median, shoulders, first motorway to feature continuous shoulders

I think we can conclude A8 was the first road to be called an "Autostrada", but does not comply with modern-day Autostrada requirements (that is at least 2x2 lanes, median and grade separation).
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Old September 4th, 2010, 03:37 PM   #1892
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Yes. I've done some studying, but it remains hard to tell;

* 1908: Long Island Motor Parkway - single lane, but grade-separated
* 1921: AVUS (modern-day A115), Berlin - racetrack, not for all purpose traffic
* 1924: Autostrada dei Laghi - single lane, but completely grade-separated
* 1925: Bronx River Parkway, New York - multilane, but not completely grade separated nor medians.
* 1932: A555 Köln - Bonn - multilane, no median
* 1935: A5 Frankfurt - Darmstad - multilane, grade separated, median, probably first modern motorway in the world.
* 1937: A12 Zoetermeer - Den Haag - multilane, grade separated, median, shoulders, first motorway to feature continuous shoulders

I think we can conclude A8 was the first road to be called an "Autostrada", but does not comply with modern-day Autostrada requirements (that is at least 2x2 lanes, median and grade separation).
I think the main difference between before and after A8 is that A8 was dedicated exclusively to cars (for the time a new concept) and it was a road built with the modern (or old roman) concept of being an expressway rather than a road connecting multiple cities/villages. As a matter of fact, I believe it was also the first major "toll" road

That having being said, of course A8 of 1924 was not a modern highway as we call it, the german autobahn system was probably the first one
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Is there any redesign of A4-A8 interchange planned? I never liked to drive over that mess.
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Is there any redesign of A4-A8 interchange planned? I never liked to drive over that mess.
NOt that we are aware of...
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Old September 5th, 2010, 03:15 AM   #1895
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What's wrong with the A4-A8 interchange?
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Old September 5th, 2010, 03:31 AM   #1896
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What's wrong with the A4-A8 interchange?
it is a little bit messy because many lanes merge, but merging areas are really long enough to merge without any problems. the only 2 things suspicious there are one left exit (direction San Siro - Torino) and one left connector (direction Bergamo - San Siro).

maybe he thought abou A4-A50 with that famous toll plaza but in that case i doubt it is more complicated than A4-A52 with its toll plaza(s)
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Old September 5th, 2010, 04:23 AM   #1897
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a4 X a52 (tangenziale nord) is a weird one. And they don't provide easy A4 eastbound to A52 southbound access.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 04:36 AM   #1898
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Anyone have pics of the A-90 (Rome ringroad)?
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Old September 5th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #1899
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What's wrong with the A4-A8 interchange?
Narrow and very curvy, with reduced number of lanes on main direction and without hard shoulders, and always I went through there were some works. It also (in my opinion) the most congested part of A4 in Milano.

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a4 X a52 (tangenziale nord) is a weird one. And they don't provide easy A4 eastbound to A52 southbound access.
Actually how do you do that? Do you go off the A52 and onto some side street and make a U turn? It just looks like so from the air.
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Actually how do you do that? Do you go off the A52 and onto some side street and make a U turn? It just looks like so from the air.
well, theoretically ther should be no need for that turn as people driving on A4 westward would take the A51 then exit before then merge with the A52 few km to the south. This leaves such drivers unable to access exit Sesto San Giovanni. A massive industrial area nearby is underoging redevelopment, so that might become an issue in the medium-term future.
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