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Old September 10th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #1921
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A26 Domodossola - Alessandria

Ciao! I'm very proud to present my first ever photo set of Italian motorways!

This set follows a section of SS33 and a large chunk of Autostrada A26 from Domodossola in the Alps down to Alessandria near the Appenine Mountains, crossing the Po plains between Milano and Torino.

check out the full 108 picture set here

enjoy.

route:
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1. SS33.
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11. Autostrada
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12. Famous Gravellona Toce.
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28. Monte Rosa
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #1922
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Great! I always found the superstrada near Domodossola (ss33) particularly in bad conditions, it looks a little better than I remembered though. I remember a very bad asphalt
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:14 AM   #1923
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The dilatation joints of all bridges are generally in poor condition, and there are a few bad-patched potholes, but overall the pavement on SS33 is not thát bad.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 01:25 AM   #1924
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any impressions on our "autostrade"? sincerely, I know you were not particularly tender in the past
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Old September 11th, 2010, 05:03 AM   #1925
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Great! I always found the superstrada near Domodossola (ss33) particularly in bad conditions, it looks a little better than I remembered though. I remember a very bad asphalt
They repaved it a few years ago.

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Slovenian-style number of destinations. :P Great photos!
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Old September 11th, 2010, 11:25 AM   #1926
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any impressions on our "autostrade"? sincerely, I know you were not particularly tender in the past
Well, my main comment used to be on the narrow shoulders and the signage.

The narrow shoulders are not really a problem for breakdowns, as there are frequent SOS niches, but I noticed nearly all of them were used for parking! I think Italy may be an exception with this in Europe. The number of regular parking areas seemed to be rather low.
Narrow shoulders are also a problem during road works, as you cannot have 4-0 system (4 lanes on one carriageway, the other for repaving), which is by far the most efficient solution during road works that will retain full capacity (you'll avoid very narrow lanes).

The signage, well, it's not the best in the world, and that is softly said. It's inconsistent, and Italy is the only country in Europe where the arrows don't match with the road lanes. Arrows should be more seen like "continue ahead", than "continue on these lanes". The road numbers are also far too small, and there is a huge lack of distance signs on Autostrade, although I understand this varies by concessionaire. I also feel there should be an exit numbering implemented.

The pavement quality, however, is generally impeccable. I haven't driven during rain, but it seems to be porous, good-draining asphalt, although without the noise-reducing characteristics you'll find in the Netherlands.

Another good thing is that most Italian Autostrada do not lack capacity, A26 in particularly was pretty generous at 2x3, considering there was almost no truck traffic like on A7.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #1927
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A26 doesn't connect big cities, and is a good alternative to bypass Milan. There are no trucks eitehr also because the A26 ends before crossing the Alps (thankfully).
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Old September 11th, 2010, 12:09 PM   #1928
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The signage, well, it's not the best in the world, and that is softly said. It's inconsistent, and Italy is the only country in Europe where the arrows don't match with the road lanes.
in HR also (but there are rare places with 3 lanes per direction which require overhead signs, I know only 2 of them)
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The road numbers are also far too small, and there is a huge lack of distance signs on Autostrade, although I understand this varies by concessionaire.
actually there are lots of those tiny distance signs at left side which indicate approaching to some more important point, but they rarely or never indicate more than one place.

btw, regarding those SOS niches - is there any other country using them on motorways? those thzings are fantastic, but i have also noticed they are mostly occupied by eastern-european trucks
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Old September 11th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #1929
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Is it new practice to highlight destinations on regular (non.autostrada) roads in blue on Italian autostrada signage?
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Old September 11th, 2010, 06:27 PM   #1930
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Is it new practice to highlight destinations on regular (non.autostrada) roads in blue on Italian autostrada signage?
no it's common, it's always this way. Around cities it's only like this, along long distances there are differentiated signs, close to the exit there is only the name of the exit in green, before signs with green background (we are on autostrade) with the main destinations in green (other autostrade) or blue (superstrade)

Usually there is also a blue sign which means: once you are off the highway you can go to...list of places and SS

In urban areas (as you can see) we also have "white" signs that marks urban roads
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Usually enormous constructions on A3

[QUOTE=GiuWay;63535097]Viadotto Tanagro Nord - Lotto Contursi - Sicignano
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Periodo costruzione:2010
Luogo: Sicignano degli Alburni (SA)
Lunghezza totale: 500 metri
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Well, my main comment used to be on the narrow shoulders and the signage.

The narrow shoulders are not really a problem for breakdowns, as there are frequent SOS niches, but I noticed nearly all of them were used for parking! I think Italy may be an exception with this in Europe. The number of regular parking areas seemed to be rather low.
Narrow shoulders are also a problem during road works, as you cannot have 4-0 system (4 lanes on one carriageway, the other for repaving), which is by far the most efficient solution during road works that will retain full capacity (you'll avoid very narrow lanes).

The signage, well, it's not the best in the world, and that is softly said. It's inconsistent, and Italy is the only country in Europe where the arrows don't match with the road lanes. Arrows should be more seen like "continue ahead", than "continue on these lanes". The road numbers are also far too small, and there is a huge lack of distance signs on Autostrade, although I understand this varies by concessionaire. I also feel there should be an exit numbering implemented.

The pavement quality, however, is generally impeccable. I haven't driven during rain, but it seems to be porous, good-draining asphalt, although without the noise-reducing characteristics you'll find in the Netherlands.

Another good thing is that most Italian Autostrada do not lack capacity, A26 in particularly was pretty generous at 2x3, considering there was almost no truck traffic like on A7.
The signage is surely kind of outdated, no doubt about that. For some reasons though it works pretty well for us on highways...for examples the small signs on the left indicating next exits, next rest area... we make a big use of them

Also the signs before an exit may look confusing but in reality they follow a pattern: name of the exit, main direction points, blue sign with the main cities you can reach with that exit, exit with only the name again.

however thanks for the comments
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Old September 11th, 2010, 10:40 PM   #1933
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Is it new practice to highlight destinations on regular (non.autostrada) roads in blue on Italian autostrada signage?
Those blue names are not destinations, but names given to important roads.

For example: on the pic you quoted.
Exiting the "autostrada" there youn can teach the city of Viterbo by driving on the SS2 bis called "Cassia Veientana".

The "Flaminia", "Salaria", "Nomentana" and "Tiburtina" are names given to specifical roads (ss3, ss4, ss5 and a "sp" without number).
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good report chris, I like when A26 opens up to a 2x3. what's great in Italy is the feeling, when you come from expressway to a real motorway, because the diference is huge. (worst expressways, best highways in europe I would say. )
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good report chris, I like when A26 opens up to a 2x3. what's great in Italy is the feeling, when you come from expressway to a real motorway, because the diference is huge. (worst expressways, best highways in europe I would say. )
I don't think Italy has the worst expressways at all. They are surely better than French ones in terms of pavement and signaling. There are some expressways in disrepair, but this is not the overall situation for ANAS expressways.

What bothers me - a lot - is the mess with road numbering plan. Sure, it works fine for main highways (autostrada, "A"). But when you have some highway connector, bypass or spur the numbering goes crazy with diramazione, raccordo, "bis". Same for expressways, like the (in)famous "FI-PI-LI" (Firenze-Pisa-Livorno), the SS3bis, and worst for roads whose jurisdiction was transferred for different bodies in each sector (Padana Superiore (SS11/SP11/SR11/SP ex SS!!), for instance) .

Numbering plans shouldn't be attached to who controls and manage the highway/road. Otherwise, it becomes a mess.

The distance markers are useful, but their typefaces are too small to be read at 130 km/h. And it takes times to master them.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 02:56 AM   #1936
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Is it new practice to highlight destinations on regular (non.autostrada) roads in blue on Italian autostrada signage?

Destinations in blue are in blue because, for example, you can't go to Viterbo by autostrada.

Tor di Quinto is white because you can't go to Tor di Quinto by autostrada and also because it is a city destinatio
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I don't think Italy has the worst expressways at all. They are surely better than French ones in terms of pavement and signaling. There are some expressways in disrepair, but this is not the overall situation for ANAS expressways.
I exagerated of course, but difference is pretty big. but mostly due to good motorways.
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Italy is the only country in Europe where the arrows don't match with the road lanes.
But the Highway code says:






http://www.siulp.it/Layouts.asp?IDPa...dine=780#sez71

one arrow one road lane

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Once you get an understanding of the color codes, they become useful, particularly in cities. Entrances to highways and expressways are often messy and convoluted. some interchanges give access to the nearby highway but also to a nearby 1+1 road. If both go in same direction (as it happens frequently), the color difference usually channels you to the proper lanes, particularly on confusing roundabouts.

If the numbering system is weird and nonsense, the signaling to different roads according to their hierarchy is not. It clearly marks whether a route is a highway or a non-highway.
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But the Highway code says:


one arrow one road lane
no. there is no shown a situation with 3 laned motorway. like this:



on the othere hand, there are also these situations (quite useless actually) where overhead signs have some role of signs for confirmation of direction.
arrows match in that case.

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