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Old September 17th, 2010, 05:25 PM   #1961
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And Netherlanders united in the end.

Typically Italian, many drivers don't want to move away from the middle lane onto empty right one.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 12:22 AM   #1962
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Typically Italian, many drivers don't want to move away from the middle lane onto empty right one.
Ah well, that has often enabled me to use a quicker lane for overtaking than the most inner lane. Namely the empty right-hand lane.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 11:36 AM   #1963
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A7 Tortona - Milano

Autostrada A7 from the A26 near Tortona to the Tangenziale Ovest in Milano. This motorway opened op 10 September 1960.

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Old September 18th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #1964
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Ah well, that has often enabled me to use a quicker lane for overtaking than the most inner lane. Namely the empty right-hand lane.
Yeah, but it is not allowed. Usually then the police will fine you as a right lane overtaker and not the one on the middle lane holding their position.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 12:04 PM   #1965
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Yeah, but it is not allowed. Usually then the police will fine you as a right lane overtaker and not the one on the middle lane holding their position.
That's not exactly true. You cannot overtake in the right lane (i.e. being on the middle lane, going to the right lane to overtake), but if you already are in the right lane you actually can.
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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #1966
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SS-682

SS-682 is a 1+1 highway, completely grade-separated and built to 90km/h speed limits linking Ionian and Tyrrhenian coasts in Calabria.

It features Italia's second longest viaduct, Sciarapotamo, with total length 5.130m.



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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:17 PM   #1967
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Viadotto Morandi, Catanzaro

Maximum height: 110m

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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #1968
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RA-2 (Raccordo Autostradale Salerno-Avellino)

A highway connector for A3, A30 and A16. It doesn't actually connects to A16, so one needs to drive a couple km in grade-separated roads in Avellino to get to Avellino Est junction on A16 (or the other way around).

The shorter sector from between A30 and A3 is heavily trafficked, outdated and needs reconstruction and widening.











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Old Italian sign

Probably from the 70's

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Old September 19th, 2010, 01:37 PM   #1970
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Badia Tedalda - Borgo Pace county road

Some highways needs widening, this county road needs paving for its inner sector

Picturesque county road near the Marche-Toscana regional border. Marche sector is completely paved, last km on Toscana side are not.



Typical km marker on non-highway roads. They are better than highway km markers IMO.








Paved sector begins. However, the gravel sector is wider than the paved sector. Who understands why...








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SS-17 approaching Isernia

Oversize typeface sign... Impossible to miss the big city of ISERNIA.



Long-term construction activity ongoing for SS-17. It is important because it intersects many trasn-Apennines routes. Some sectors (like one just before this sign) are opened already as 1+1 superstrade-standard roads.
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those roads (post #1966) are very nice to drive. i drove at Sardegna SS199/SS597 and SS389 roads like that, you can easily keep 120 km/h there and overtaking is really rare because everybody keep the higher speed.

btw, i have noticed this viaduct in Cantazano sooner already, it's fascinating!
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Old September 20th, 2010, 01:34 PM   #1973
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"V" in oval missing.


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Old September 20th, 2010, 03:40 PM   #1974
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Typically Italian, many drivers don't want to move away from the middle lane onto empty right one.
True... I think this behaviour is due to the high number of trucks respect other countries: so if you drive on the right lane you have often to move on central lane to overcome the trucks; easier to move on central lane directly... unfortunately many drivers use to drive that way even when the right lane is empty
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Old September 20th, 2010, 08:07 PM   #1975
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A7 Tortona - Milano motorway south of Tortona goes directly to Livorno - Pisa, or need to change road, motorway to go there?
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Old September 20th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #1976
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That's not exactly true. You cannot overtake in the right lane (i.e. being on the middle lane, going to the right lane to overtake), but if you already are in the right lane you actually can.
Are you sure, because this is not usual for other countries in Europe? I don't want to pay any fine next time I'm going on (let say) A4 next time. On weekends there is not much traffic, but many drivers surf on middle lane(s), although right one can be empty even for kilometres. Going steady with cruise control and changing two or even three lanes and then back because of only one car is ridiculous.
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Articles 143 and 148 of italian street code and "decreto legge" 214/03 regulate this matter and state that you can only overtake on the left. But according to a recent regulation by Polizia Stradale the overtaking on the right is still "illegal" but it will not be sanctioned.

However, I think it will be up to the single policeman to enforce this, so it can be risky.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 11:31 PM   #1978
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A7 Tortona - Milano motorway south of Tortona goes directly to Livorno - Pisa, or need to change road, motorway to go there?
You have to change to A12. Pay attention is quite confusing: http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...,0.153637&z=13

But I suppose a route via A1, A15 and A12 is less congested.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 01:21 PM   #1979
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Articles 143 and 148 of italian street code and "decreto legge" 214/03 regulate this matter and state that you can only overtake on the left. But according to a recent regulation by Polizia Stradale the overtaking on the right is still "illegal" but it will not be sanctioned.

However, I think it will be up to the single policeman to enforce this, so it can be risky.
I'd like to point out that overtaking is passing another vehicle by changing lane. According italian road traffic code, you must drive on the right lane, the other ones are reserved to overtake - on the left - slow vehicles; this to prevent dangerous zig-zag driving. So, if you are driving on a lane while the right one is empty, you'll be fined 33 euros (and 4 points less on your driving license credit - italians only). therefore, passing alongside slow vehicles on the left lane while you're still driving on the right lane is correct!
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Oversize typeface sign... Impossible to miss the big city of ISERNIA.



Long-term construction activity ongoing for SS-17. It is important because it intersects many trasn-Apennines routes. Some sectors (like one just before this sign) are opened already as 1+1 superstrade-standard roads.
The town/city of Isernia how big it is? I saw that town in google maps few weeks ago

@Coccodrillo: Thanks for the info
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