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Old June 22nd, 2005, 09:13 PM   #1
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Switzerland train system breaks down!

I just came home by big detours by busses. Since 2.5 hours the WHOLE TRAIN SYSTEM OF THE COUNTRY has been down. They don't know the reason why yet - the energy went out and everyone was locked inside of the trains. I was lucky because my S-Bahn collapsed 100m before a 8km tunnel! Others were not so lucky - and are STILL locked. Worse for the ones on open tracks with 35° outside and 45° inside of the trains (the air conditioning broke down as well and the windows are not possible to open anymore)... it is the biggest catastrophy in the history of Swiss transport system

I just hear that some few locked trains can be taken out by Diesel locomotives. Just imagine: the Swiss are together with the Japanese thebiggest train-useres in the world and it happened in the rush hour...

here an NZZ article:
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SBB stellen Zugverkehr in der ganzen Schweiz ein

Spannungsabfall legt Züge lahm

Die SBB haben am Mittwochabend den Zugverkehr in der ganzen Schweiz eingestellt. Wegen eines Spannungsabfalls im Stromnetz stehen seit 18 Uhr im ganzen Land die Züge still. Ursache und Dauer des Spannungsabfalls sind vorderhand noch unbekannt. Die Quelle der Störung wird im Tessin vermutet. Inzwischen sind die Passagiere aus den stehenden Zügen ausgestiegen.

(ap) Die SBB haben am Mittwochabend den Zugverkehr in der ganzen Schweiz eingestellt. Dies gab SBB-Sprecher Roland Binz im Schweizer Radio DRS bekannt. Grund war ein Spannungsabfall im gesamten SBB-Netz, der offenbar vom Tessin ausgegangen war und sich mitten im Feierabendverkehr aufs ganze Land ausbreitete.

Kurz vor 18 Uhr hatte es geheissen, die Spannung habe nur noch 12'000 statt 15'000 Volt betragen. Damit blieben zahlreiche Züge liegen oder verkehrten mit massiven Verspätungen. Zudem fielen die Klimaanlagen aus.

Züge, die unterwegs waren, fuhren - sofern es die noch vorhandene Spannung zuliess - in den jeweils nächsten Bahnhof oder wurden mit Hilfe von Diesellokomotiven evakuiert, wie Binz sagte.

Ursache und Dauer der Strompanne waren vorerst unbekannt. Die Fachleute der SBB arbeiteten laut Binz mit Hochdruck an der Behebung der Strompanne. Binz bat die Tausenden von blockierten Reisenden um Entschuldigung.


Passagiere ausgestiegen

Wie SBB-Kommunikationschef Werner Nuber gegenüber Radio DRS sagte, waren bis 19 Uhr alle Passagiere aus den steckengebliebenen Zügen gestiegen. So seien die Reisenden bei der herrschenden Hitze wenigstens an der frischen Luft, sagte Nuber.


Pannen schon früher während des Tages

Schon zuvor war der Zugverkehr durch eine Entgleisung zweier Güterwagen im Kanton Waadt und Weichenstörungen im Kanton Aargau gestört worden. Die Güterwagen entgleisten am Mittwochmorgen bei einem Rangiermanöver im Bahnhof von Palezieux und kippten auf eines der beiden Hauptgleise der Linie Lausanne - Bern. Verletzt wurde niemand, doch konnten die Züge zwischen Puidoux-Chexbres und Palezieux vorübergehend nur auf einem Gleis verkehren.

Bei Mägenwil und Mellingen im Aargau beeinträchtigten am frühen Nachmittag zwei Weichenstörungen am frühen Nachmittag den Bahnbetrieb im Raum Aargau-Zürich. Weil während einer knappen Stunde keine Züge durch den Heitersbergtunnel fahren konnten, entstanden auf der Ost-West-Achse laut SBB Verspätungen von bis zu 30 Minuten. Einzelne Züge wurden vorzeitig gewendet oder über Brugg umgeleitet.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 09:17 PM   #2
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oioioi, dat zieht ja slecht aus!

Is it the heat? I hope people will now realize how many risks one is taking while leaving all kinds of electronic devices on stand-by status

the air-conditoner is not going to make things cool down; only temporarily - and while your air-conditioner uses up extra energy, the power plants add exhaust to the heat
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 11:44 PM   #3
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It's only the rail power network that broke down. So this has nothing to do with stand-by electronic devices.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 01:35 AM   #4
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What??


Why??
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 11:59 AM   #5
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They don't know yet but the voltage went suddenly down - first in the Ticino, then on the whole network - what never happened before (only regional).

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 12:22 PM   #6
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It's only the rail power network that broke down. So this has nothing to do with stand-by electronic devices.
just trying to make people aware of possible consequences

I know this was not the cause but somewhere something went wrong and what made that happen? Could easily be connected. Or does Switzerland have power plants exclusively for its railways?
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 12:33 PM   #7
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Wow, lots of sweaty Swiss girls. I hate train services anyway. Every other day there are "Personen auf den Gleisen" somewhere and I have a 20 minute delay.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 06:39 PM   #8
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Swiss railways mull over spectacular nationwide failure

BERN, June 23 (AFP) - Swiss federal railways were running normally Thursday, hours after Switzerland's entire rail network was brought grinding to a halt by a short-circuit that left some 200,000 rush-hour travellers stranded.

Power was gradually re-established following the three-hour incident on Wednesday evening, which was caused by a short-circuit on a power line in central Switzerland, the federal railway company (SBB) said.

The power failure, which stopped all trains in the country apart from those on a handful of smaller privately-run lines in the Alps, was the most serious in the history of the Swiss rail system.

"Since this morning the trains are running well, virtually normally," spokesman Jean-Philippe Schmidt told AFP.

"Freight trains are also starting to roll as well," he added. Switzerland is a key freight hub between northern Europe and Italy.

Some 1,500 trains came to a halt, affecting 200,000 people, the SBB revealed Thursday. Up to 100,000 passengers were stuck in trains throughout the country on a hot summer evening.

The company was expecting to foot a bill of about 10 million Swiss francs (6.5 million euros, 7.9 million dollars) because of the incident, executives told journalists.

The only comparable incident occurred in 1997 when trains were stranded for 40 minutes in the west of the Alpine country, affecting 15,000 people.

An AFP correspondent travelling on the main line to the capital Bern Thursday reported the normal smooth service in a country that prides itself on the efficiency of its public transport system.

With an average of 2,077 kilometres (1,290 miles) per inhabitant per year, the Swiss are the world's top train users and the network is renowned for its punctuality.

"We do have a reputation for being punctual and precise, this was definitely an exception, but it confirms the rule," spokesman Jean-Louis Scherz told AFP in Bern.

"It was an extreme situation and we do not wish to go through it again," he added.

The problem was first noticed in southern Switzerland just before 6pm (1600 GMT) on Wednesday following a surge and a drop in the 15,000 volt power supply that exceptionally spread to the rest of the system.

The cause was tracked down to a short circuit on an SBB power line in the Swiss Alps, which was aggravated by the fact that two alternative lines were out of service because of construction work, SBB said in a statement.

Most travellers were taken home by some 250 specially hired buses or by train services that resumed gradually before the normal overnight closure.

"We had about 300 people who were put up in hotels or that we sent home by taxi," Schmidt said.

About 200,000 special 15 Swiss franc (10 euros, 12 dollars) vouchers were handed out to travellers, he added. The company said it would refund alternative travel or accommodation fees.

The power failure was confined to the Swiss railway network, which is largely fed by the SBB's own hydro-electric power stations.

Swiss media expressed consternation at the blackout, but it was largely taken with a dose of philosophy.

A cartoon in the daily Le Temps mocked the incident. "Swiss precision is safe," a ticket inspector commented, adding: "All the trains stopped at the same time."
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 06:53 PM   #9
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Simply incredible

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Old June 24th, 2005, 02:14 AM   #10
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Unbelieveable for Switzerland...
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Old June 24th, 2005, 06:23 AM   #12
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Kuesel I don't know if you listen to the BBC World Service but there was a great piece today all about Switzerland and the issues it's facing
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Old June 24th, 2005, 12:14 PM   #13
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I didn't see it, but: you know what - IT HAPPENED AGAIN YESTERDAY!!!

Okay it was not a total blackout but because of a lighning in the Valais all trains between Brig, Geneva and Biel - means the whole Romandie - stood still again!

Now it's clear that the media and politicians are searching on whom to blame and what should be done to avoid a thing like that... the oppinions are far apart from each other.

And Bikkel: yes, the railnetwork is kind of independant and that is also one of the problems. So there would be two possibilities: to make the so-called "ring" system (at the moment the distribution of energy is kind of centralized from the Gotthard area) or connect the railway energy with the normal electricity network. But in Switzerland everything needs 10 times more time to be developped (too much direct democracy) and thus the problem will not be solved til 2012-2013...
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Old June 24th, 2005, 12:58 PM   #14
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You are right Kuessel! Unfortunately everything takes ages in Switzerland partly due to your direct democracy and very conservative mentality. The power supply used only by the Swiss railroad system looks quite fragile and will take too long to be upgraded as it should have been already a long time ago… This entire situation makes me slightly laugh because I always heard the Swiss (at least many of them) criticising the other countries and treating them like third world countries and now look what happens. Personally, I think that Switzerland needs a good kick in the ass as the country is not what it used to be anymore and the others are catching up fast.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #15
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Kuesel I don't know if you listen to the BBC World Service but there was a great piece today all about Switzerland and the issues it's facing
I am sorry but why would be we listening to BBC World?? There are enough independent medias in Switzerland to read, to watch and to listen and in local languages…
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It's not direct democracy that is the problem but the "Einspracherecht" (objection law)
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Old June 24th, 2005, 02:09 PM   #17
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The "Einspracherecht" is a direct democracy means - even if only semi-political related. But it is a possibility for local people to complain against something they don't want according to a masterplan or blueprint - it can be discussed, and it is already - but that's an endless topic

BTW: Swiss are humble in critizising other countries as part of the developping world, there are worse nations... Also don't forget that we have 1/10th of the pop living abroad Maybe we think we are supperior in terms like punctuality and cleanness, but we are very aware of the "dark side of our country"
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Old June 24th, 2005, 02:17 PM   #18
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Glad I didn't have to take the train that day, but what do you expect...it's part of life, at least no one died or something like that.
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That's true - and the atmosphere among the passengers was very good. In the substitute bus from Baden to Zurich everyone made jokes and the bus driver was telling funny stories

But just imagine what kind of economic damage would have done if it would have happened in the MORNING rush hour!!!
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On the news I saw some people insulting each other and fighting for a bus in Geneva according to some witnesses...
I guess they have a different mentality than in Zurich
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