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Old March 22nd, 2011, 08:28 PM   #181
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More far in the future they will publish one for France and one for Benelux (they gave that news at Innotrans 2010, it's not on their website yet).
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Old March 30th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #182
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Les CFF veulent mettre un terme au tarif unique dès 2013 (24 Heures)

TRANSPORTS PUBLICS | Un passager circulant dans un train régional pourra payer son billet moins cher que celui qui voyage dans un train direct flambant neuf. C'est le souhait des CFF, qui souhaitent mettre fin à l'uniformisation des prix d'ici à deux ans.

L’usager qui monte dans un train direct et équipé d’un confort moderne devrait débourser plus que celui qui prend un train régional plus rudimentaire. C'est en tout cas le souhait des CFF, qui espèrent que les bases politiques pour une différenciation des prix seront fixées d’ici deux ans.

Pour l’heure, les prix sont uniformisés en Suisse. Le directeur des CFF Andreas Meyer a confié aujourd'hui avoir du mal à voir les mêmes tarifs appliqués sur toutes les lignes, qu'elles soient desservies par des trains neufs ou par des wagons plus anciens.

D’autant plus que des trains dernier cri vont être mis en service ces prochaines années. Dès 2013, des trains à deux étages d’une longueur de 400 mètres circuleront notamment entre Genève et Saint- Gall.Le réseau régional des importantes agglomérations, comme entre Lausanne et Genève, sera également renforcé. Des RER duplex de 150 mètres de long rouleront à partir de l’année prochaine déjà.

Bientôt un billet à puce?

Une autre innovation pourrait aussi voir le jour: le titre de transport doté d’une puce électronique facturant les déplacements effectués. Ce projet n’en est encore qu’au stade d’idée, mais les CFF y voient un grand potentiel pour simplifier la billetterie actuelle.

Les difficultés se situent surtout dans la mise en place d’un tel système. En effet, quelque 170 entreprises font partie du système tarifaire suisse, et toutes devraient l’accepter et s’harmoniser. Ces problèmes avaient déjà fait échouer l’idée de l’abonnement général à partir de 9 heures.

Hausse de la dette

Lors de leur bilan annuel, les CFF ont déclaré avoir transporté l’an dernier 347,1 millions de voyageurs, soit une hausse de 6% par rapport à 2009. La compagnie ferroviaire affiche en revanche un bénéfice en baisse de 19,3%, à 298,3 millions de francs. Sa dette s’est en outre aggravée de 10,4%, à 8,07 milliards.

Des investissements et l’assainissement de la caisse de pension sont à l’origine de cet endettement en hausse qui inquiète les CFF, indiquent-ils mercredi. L’entreprise a investi 965,8 millions de francs dans du nouveau matériel roulant et 938 millions ont été versés en faveur de la caisse de pension. La compagnie ferroviaire affiche en revanche un bénéfice en baisse de 19,3%, à 298,3 millions de francs.

Un tiers des travailleurs prennent le train

Dans le domaine du trafic voyageur, la compagnie a transporté chaque jour 951’000 personnes. Un tiers des salariés en Suisse se rend aujourd’hui au travail en train. Les prestations ont progressé de 5% par rapport à 2009 pour atteindre 17,5 milliards de voyageurs- kilomètres.

Les lignes internationales ont connu une croissance supérieure à la moyenne. Côté ponctualité, 87% des passagers sont arrivés à destination à l’heure, soit avec moins de 3 minutes de retard, écrivent les CFF.

Sur le plan du fret, la filiale CFF Cargo a réalisé une nette progression de ses prestations dans un contexte difficile. Elle a acheminé 200’000 tonnes de marchandises par jour et 13,11 milliards de tonnes-kilomètres nettes. Il s’agit d’une hausse de 12,3% par rapport à l’année précédente.
The Swiss Federal Railways (SBB-CFF-FFS) want to change the condition of tariffs in the next few years so as to force the passengers to pay more or less depending on the age and condition of the train (or so I understand).

The company earned 300 million francs in 2010, 20% less than in 2009, but transported 347 million passengers, 6% more than in 2009, and one third of workers commuted every day to their work using the trains (obviously this does not count people using other PT systems). Cargo volume has also increased by more than 12% to 200.000 tonnes per day.

I honestly don't like the change to variable tariffs they want to introduce, but I guess there must be a good point behind the idea.
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The Swiss Federal Railways (SBB-CFF-FFS) want to change the condition of tariffs in the next few years so as to force the passengers to pay more or less depending on the age and condition of the train (or so I understand).

The company earned 300 million francs in 2010, 20% less than in 2009, but transported 347 million passengers, 6% more than in 2009, and one third of workers commuted every day to their work using the trains (obviously this does not count people using other PT systems). Cargo volume has also increased by more than 12% to 200.000 tonnes per day.

I honestly don't like the change to variable tariffs they want to introduce, but I guess there must be a good point behind the idea.
That would be awesome. Any idea that departs from dumb fixed pricing for train fares is an improvement.
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I honestly don't like the change to variable tariffs they want to introduce, but I guess there must be a good point behind the idea.
The idea is not so much to introduce variable tariffs. However they do want to charge more on routes where the level of service is higher. I can understand that. I commute daily from Bern to Zürich, and the price for the commuter pass is actually a bargain. The SBB could use more money, and allowing them to charge more where service is better will also encourage them to improve service wherever possible...
The other thing they're considering is off peak rebates, like DB also has them. That would be a pretty good idea too. I often have a hard time explaining to budget conscious tourists that you can't save money by travelling at times when loadings are low, like on other railways.
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That would be awesome. Any idea that departs from dumb fixed pricing for train fares is an improvement.
Tell me, would you consider variable pricing a good idea for the local bus network in your town?
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Tell me, would you consider variable pricing a good idea for the local bus network in your town?
Since my city already has a functioning smartcard system, implementing variable pricing would require just some software gimmicks.
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More news about the next projects, unfortunately only in the three official languages (I haven't time now to make a summary, maybe later): http://www.news.admin.ch/message/ind...e&msg-id=38374
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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:01 PM   #190
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But would it bring anything?
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The idea is not so much to introduce variable tariffs. However they do want to charge more on routes where the level of service is higher. I can understand that. I commute daily from Bern to Zürich, and the price for the commuter pass is actually a bargain. The SBB could use more money, and allowing them to charge more where service is better will also encourage them to improve service wherever possible...
The other thing they're considering is off peak rebates, like DB also has them. That would be a pretty good idea too. I often have a hard time explaining to budget conscious tourists that you can't save money by travelling at times when loadings are low, like on other railways.
Oh well, this does look good, I thought they were introducing a kind of third class ticket. Specially the off-peak rebates sounds pretty good. Charging on long-distance highly-used services not so much, because cities further away than others will be punished, I'm thinking about Geneva specificially and its services to Bern or Zurich, if they increase tariffs CFF will manage to get more passangers on planes and therefore the revenues will only increase marginally.
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Internal air traffic in Switzerland is irrilevant and limited to the Genève-Zürich-Lugano triangle.

I think that cheaper tickets may be introduced for some less used lines (like RE Bern-old Lötschberg line-Brig or IR Zürich-old Gotthard line-Locarno) and for off peak trains, but standard tickets should remain valid on every train on then given route, be it a regional or an intercity.

Edit: I have found some statistics for 2009, 500.000 passengers on Geneva-Zürich and 40.000 on Geneva-Lugano. Lugano-Zürich may be just a little higher (say 60.000/70.000), excpet passengers only transfering in Geneva.
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Internal air traffic in Switzerland is irrilevant and limited to the Genève-Zürich-Lugano triangle.

I think that cheaper tickets may be introduced for some less used lines (like RE Bern-old Lötschberg line-Brig or IR Zürich-old Gotthard line-Locarno) and for off peak trains, but standard tickets should remain valid on every train on then given route, be it a regional or an intercity.

Edit: I have found some statistics for 2009, 500.000 passengers on Geneva-Zürich and 40.000 on Geneva-Lugano. Lugano-Zürich may be just a little higher (say 60.000/70.000), excpet passengers only transfering in Geneva.
What about flights from Basel-Mulhouse? I bet there are as least some short-haul services originating from there.
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I doubt it has flights to Zürich (even as feeders) and for sure has no flights to Lugano. I'm not sure about Basel-Geneva but Geneva's airport statistics don't mention that line.

Geneva-Milan Malpensa trusting the statistics I have linked has about 2.500 a yer, but it is too low to be true, in my opinion.
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Charging on long-distance highly-used services not so much, because cities further away than others will be punished, I'm thinking about Geneva specificially and its services to Bern or Zurich, if they increase tariffs CFF will manage to get more passangers on planes and therefore the revenues will only increase marginally.
It's not about charging more for highly used services, rather than for higher quality services. To a certain extent SBB already does that. Bern - Geneva costs the same as Bern - Zürich, even though the distance to Geneva is larger. However, on Bern - Zürich the train is a lot faster.
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What about flights from Basel-Mulhouse? I bet there are as least some short-haul services originating from there.
There is an hourly Swiss flight from Basel to Zürich, leaves at 40 minutes past each hour from ZDH... But that is a codeshare. I leave it to you to guess with whom...
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The ETR 470 of the Gotthard railway may be replaced by conventional trains very soon (but certainly not before the timetable change of december 2011), the four belonging to SBB would then be sold to Trenitalia. SBB may also sell three Re 484 locomotives to Trenitalia, and receive two new ETR 610 initially destined to Trenitalia as penalty for the late delivery of the first 610 series. Even if not confirmed this news is not an April Fools' Day's joke.
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That news revealed to be only half-true: there is a real intention (or I should say "hope"?) to whitdraw the ETR 470 from service in Switzerland, and it is true that someone other postulate that the penalties for the late delivery of the ETR 610 could be paid as more trains, but this is not certain.

It is also likely that, if sold, the four ETR 470 belonging to SBB may go to Trenitalia because it owns the other five.

Wait and see.
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Why would SBB keep the newer trains and sell the crappiest ones to Trenitalia? Why would Trenitalia accept such a deal - unless there is significant money exchange?

In any case, that would be the ultimate demise, the last shovel over the Cisalpino graveyard.
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As I said, it was an april's joke. I partly belived it, because it's not completely false: SBB is really planning to sell or to scrap the ETR 470, but it is not known when it will do it (in around 7 years at the latest, but probably before). And the most likely buyer would be Trenitalia as it already owns similar vehicles, while SBB, DB, ÖBB (the other network who may be interested to 3-15 kV EMU) do not.

It was also said some months ago that Alstom may give some newly built ETR 610 for free to SBB and Trenitalia as penalty for the late delivery of the first 14 trains (they were planned to be all delivered by December 2007, but will not until the end of this year).
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