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Old November 9th, 2015, 02:32 AM   #2301
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...551908&nseq=47
Georg Trüb, October 21, 2015, Bernina Lagalb
View from the passenger compartment behind the cab, separated by a window, of "Allegra" trainset ABe 8/12 to the crossing train 1641 in Bernina Lagalb with ABe 8/12 # 3511.
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Old November 17th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #2302
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The ETR 470 owned by SBB are going to be demolished in Switzerland. SBB tried to sell them, but found no buyer, not even Trenitalia. The only serious buyer would have been one already operating a fleet of similar trains, like Trenitalia which owns a total of 30 such trains (including the 470s).

Since the dissolution of Cisalpino, SBB owns units 2, 3, 5 and 9, while Trenitalia owns 1, 4, 6, 7, and 8. These will likely be used on Italian domestic services like Rome-Ancona and Rome-Reggio Calabria, already operated with similar units (but which are 3 kV DC only, or 3+25 kV).

Once SBB's CEO said he would have sold these 4 units to anyone paying them 1 CHF more than the company now destroying them. These trains are not new, but neither old, having around 18 years. They are would not have been approved for the Gotthard base tunnel, too few, and to different from any other Swiss train, so it was not worth to maintain them.

3 of the 4 SBB units stopped running in April 2015, the forth was used until October for some extra trains for Milan's World Expo, while the 5 Trenitalia units (only 1 or 2 run each day, the others wait in a depot) will continue to be used on the Gotthard route until the timetable change this December.

These runs at least on trains 14, 21 and 24 (Milan-Zürich and return).
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Old November 17th, 2015, 10:23 PM   #2303
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SBB inaugurates Olten control centre
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SWITZERLAND: Swiss Federal Railways formally inaugurated its regional control centre at Olten on November 17, in a ceremony attended by SBB CEO Andreas Meyer, the president of canton Solothurn Roland Fürst and the Mayor of Olten Martin Wey.

BZ Mitte is one of four regional centres that will eventually manage the entire SBB network, under a consolidation programme launched in 2006. BZ West in Lausanne was opened in May 2010, followed by BZ Ost at Zürich Airport in December of that year, and BZ Süd at Pollegio in April 2014

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Old November 18th, 2015, 10:45 AM   #2304
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Some choice quotes about the 470s in this article

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“We are satisfied about the decision of Swiss Federal Railways to phase out the ETR-470. Trains which have so many breakdowns are not worthy of the federal railways,” Gerhard Tubandt, spokesman for the Swiss Association for Transport and the Environment, told swissinfo.ch.
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“They upset the passengers and damage the reputation of the federal railways which are known for the punctuality of their trains, so it’s a pity that the ETR-470 are not taken out of service earlier but we understand that the federal railways are at full capacity and cannot immediately replace trains.”
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At a news conference in Basel on Tuesday, the chief executive of Swiss Federal Railways, Andreas Meyer, did not mince his words. He said the company wanted “put an end to this horror”.
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On May 17, one of the trains caught fire in the southern Swiss canton of Ticino, which may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.
“I do not want to see such pictures as we saw in Ambri a few days ago again,” Meyer said.


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The lack of quality and reliability lead both companies to have a reserve train at each terminus of the Zurich-Milan route.
Maintenance of the four Pendolinos belonging to Switzerland costs four times more than that of the ICN tilting trains of the Swiss Federal Railways.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #2305
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The disaster was not only 470's fault. SBB and Trenitalia wanted unrealistic running times, basically there were no time reserves in the timetable so every little delay (not so uncommon, especially in Italy) propagated the whole day (some sets had 4 booked runs a day, or two Zürich-Milan return trips a day, and a 10' delay of the first train became a 60' delay on the fourth trip).

In addition SBB wanted to halve the number of trips from 15 to 7 a day. So to be honest, these unreliable EMUs were not the only problem, but just one of many.

Here are three of the sets being towed to the demolition yard. One photo shows an uncoupled end car showing the electrical and pneuamtic cables clearly cut and not dismantled. Then a funny video about one of the malunctions: the tilting mechanism of one coach failed and the coach started to dance for some time

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/mit...id4362171.html

This was a particularly unfortunate series of Pendolinos, the technology was not knew but AFAIK they were only the third big batch of Pendolinos to be built. The ETR 610 (Pendolino 3th generation) which SBB owns and of which has even ordered more units (7 from Cisalpino + 8 second batch + 4 third batch) works quite well.
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Old November 19th, 2015, 12:12 PM   #2306
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The disaster was not only 470's fault. SBB and Trenitalia wanted unrealistic running times, basically there were no time reserves in the timetable so every little delay (not so uncommon, especially in Italy) propagated the whole day (some sets had 4 booked runs a day, or two Zürich-Milan return trips a day, and a 10' delay of the first train became a 60' delay on the fourth trip).
One thing I often noticed is that Trenitalia appeared not prepared to use the turnaround time in Milano as a buffer.
For example. a train woud arrive in Milano at 10:45 and had to leave again in the direction of Zürich at 11:10. I've seen it on a few occasions that this train arrived with a delay of 10 minutes, and thus was made to leave again with a delay of 10 minutes as well...

And booking two return trips Zürich - Milano on a single set should not be an issue for a modern railways and good rolling stock.
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 10:00 PM   #2307
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Georg Trüb, December 02, 2015, Landquart
Today the first 3 cars for a new "Albula Gliederzug" (jointed push pull train for the Albula line) was delivered from Stadler Rail Altenrhein to the RhB in Landquart. The diesel locomotive Gmf 23404 "Bernina" is just pulling the 1 meter gauge cars from the standard gauge transport cars. The new Albula trains will have 7 cars, including a cab car, pulled/pushed by Ge 4/4 III locomotives.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 09:15 PM   #2308
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Georg Trüb, December 02, 2015, Heiden
During the revision of the BDeh 3/6 25, the vintage BDeh 2/4 # 24 (lettered as ABDeh 2/4) from 1967 is running the hourly service on the standard gauge cogwheel Rorschach-Heiden-Bergbahn (part of the Appenzeller Bahnen since 2006).
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Old December 9th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #2309
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Georg Trüb, December 07, 2015, near Trois-Villes
Cab car Bt # 55, electric railcar Be 4/4 # from 1981 and cab car Bt # 51 high above the sea of fog in the rocks near the small stop of Trois-Villes on the Yverdon-Ste-Croix Railway.
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From Rail Journal:

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Underground expansion for Geneva Cornavin station
Wednesday, December 09, 2015



PLANS to upgrade Geneva's main railway station at Cornavin by constructing an underground extension with two tracks took a step forward yesterday with the signing of a general agreement by representatives of the Swiss Federal Office of Transport and the city and Canton of Geneva

The SFr 1.6bn ($US 1.6bn) project has been commissioned by Swiss Federal Railways (SBB) as an essential part of its plan to boost services following the introduction of the Leman Express RER in 2019 on the new CEVA line between Cornavin, Eaux-Vives and Annemasse

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That's not entirely correct:

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Access for trains from Lausanne will be via a double-track tunnel, with a single track tunnel from Geneva airport.
The plan is to use the two new underground tracks one way (Airport > Geneva > Lausanne, IIRC - or the inverse), dedicating the two of the surface tracks for the other direction of the airport line. The lines to Annemasse and to Bellegarde would have their dedicated tracks (2 and 3+1 respectively).

In a second phase, some decades later, an additional two tracks would be built so to have 4 underground tracks for the airport line, four surface for Annemasse and three (plus, if still needed, one short stub, today's track 5) for Bellegarde-Paris/Lyon.
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Georg Trüb, December 08, 2015, below Arzier
Train of the Nyon-St-Cergue-Morez Railway (NStCM) from Nyon to La Cure below Arzier, with the snow covered Alps in the background. Cab car ABt # 302 and railcar Be 4/4 # 204.
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Georg Trüb, December 12, 2015, Winterthur
It seems that there will be a new design for the Re 460 series probably. Coincidentally seen this evening in Winterthur, Re 460 # 111 with a raised SBB signet in chromium on the front, but no vehicle number. I don't know if it is only an attempt or a decided future design.
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Old December 13th, 2015, 04:28 PM   #2314
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The end of SBB's ETR 470: http://schweizer-bahnen.ch/berichte/hommage-etr470.html (photos at the demolition yard below).

For some burocratic reasons I don't know Trenitalia wasn't able to buy SBB's sets. The 9 identical sets built around 1996 for Cisalpino were split between SBB (4 units) and Trenitalia (5 units) in 2009.

Although they were quite unreliable, the result is that Trenitalia's units will continue to be used for the years to come while SBB units are being demolished after less than 20 years of service, which is less than half the lifetime of a train.

However, in the last 5 years SBB units were used intensively, with up to 3 out of 4 running daily, while Trenitalia's units very often were kept idle in some depot (1 or 2 out of 5 running), so they have likely a noticeable lower mileage than SBB units.

The last ETR 470 in regular service Switzerland has been #009 running yesterday 12.12.2015 as EuroCity 15 Zürich 9.32 - Milan 13.35. It ran with two coaches without air conditioning/ventilation, the floor bending in coach #3, and with some doors out of use. It was the least used of the series recently, and it was clear that SBB did on it just the bare minimum to keep it running, avoiding any non vital repair.

Here some photos taken on the very last public trip: http://www.sguggiari.ch/1_archivio_n...ultimo-etr-470

It is now in Milan and will be brought back to Switzerland for demolition tomorrow.
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So SBB purposefully defrayed maintenance and then claimed the sets were unreliable to be kept in service?

Sounds like quite a managerial plot to get new trains.

The Cisalpino was a good initiative, but different management philosophies and priorities on both sides of the border undermined its success.
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So SBB purposefully defrayed maintenance and then claimed the sets were unreliable to be kept in service?
No, SBB sets were kept in good working order until 11.4.2015, the last day of their regular service. When SBB announced their whitdrawal in 2011, they announced they would have spent 12 million CHF to maintain them until delivery of new replacement trains, which have since arrived (the new 8 ETR 610). This equals to 1 million per year per set, just for maintenance (for the period 2011-April 2015).

It is just one of the four set, #009, which has been kept in working order after that date, but just as reserve for the additional special trains for Milan's World Expo 2015. As it has very rarely been used after 11.4.2015, SBB wasn't really willing to spend much money on it.

Trenitalia's sets although identical have a completely separate management and maintenance since 2009.
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Will the Loetschberg tunnel freight traffic be reduced with the opening of the Gotthard?
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Train of the Nyon-St-Cergue-Morez Railway (NStCM) from Nyon to La Cure below Arzier, with the snow covered Alps in the background.
Ah, typical Swiss winter weather there. Valleys in thick fog, sunny up in the hills...
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So SBB purposefully defrayed maintenance and then claimed the sets were unreliable to be kept in service?
Complete nonsense, unlike train operators in other countries SBB focus on a functional reliable system, I don't believe I have ever experienced a cancelled or seriously delayed train in Switzerland. I suspect an SBB manager would be more likely to rip out and eat his own kidney than to deliberitely upset the timetable.
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Complete nonsense, unlike train operators in other countries SBB focus on a functional reliable system, I don't believe I have ever experienced a cancelled or seriously delayed train in Switzerland. I suspect an SBB manager would be more likely to rip out and eat his own kidney than to deliberitely upset the timetable.
Let's not exaggerate - it does happen sometimes and in fact it has happened more often recently. If you don't commute with a train every day like I do you could be lucky for a very long time because it still is relatively rare. In the last 6 years I've been delayed by more than 1 h three times (train broke down once and two times there were suicides).
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