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Old August 20th, 2016, 04:08 PM   #2461
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I see no reason against repairing the old tunnel if a double track is necessary any time later.
Exactly. But like all railways in Switzerland the RhB probably already has a pretty good idea what schedule they will be running in 2035, and they probably don't foresee a need for a second track in that section.'
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Old August 20th, 2016, 04:48 PM   #2462
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Which is a pity considering the mega cities in the Engadin it serves
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Old August 20th, 2016, 05:16 PM   #2463
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I'd expect very little if any growth on that route in the coming decades. It's not a major transit route, tourism traffic is probably close to being maxed out and Graubunden doesn't have a rapidly increasing population like certain other parts of the country.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 06:08 PM   #2464
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This is why I talked about flexibility and not capacity Since it's a 6 km of single section, it can be quite useful to have a double track to make up for delays or program the timetable around a long passing loop.

It would be almost meaningless as a way to add capacity to the whole line, since all the rest of the line to Filisur has to live with the costraints of 10+ km sections with a single track.

But meanwhile between Bever and Samedan there's still just one track, so they probably don't see this anywhere close to being a priority.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #2465
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I'd expect very little if any growth on that route in the coming decades. It's not a major transit route, tourism traffic is probably close to being maxed out and Graubunden doesn't have a rapidly increasing population like certain other parts of the country.
They need a plan to develop the valleys there and increase the canton population 50% in 15 years.
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Old August 20th, 2016, 08:52 PM   #2466
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The Diesel train 241 of the Dampfbahn Furka Bergstrecke (DFB) from Gletsch to Oberwald is pulled by HGm 4/4 # 62 of the Matterhorn-Gotthard Bahn (MGB), leased by the DFB. The train is ready to run down to Oberwald, while steam locomotive HG 2/3 # 6 is waiting to go around her train. The cars of the new formed diesel train are: baggage car D # 4542 former MGB, with a flange and rack track grease installation, the former MGB passenger cars B # 4267 and B # 4272 and the open observation car C # 2353.
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Old August 21st, 2016, 12:06 AM   #2467
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There is a serious plan to build a second track between Samedan and Bever.

Traffic from north of Chur to St Moritz also pass via the Vereina tunnel. In fact the timetable is built that there is an hourly Zürich-St Moritz conenction via the Albula line and a two-hourly connection via the Vereina line. The plan is to have also the latter hourly, so to have overall a train every ~30' with roughly the same travel time from Zürich.

As said, there is still the possibility to rebuild the old tunnel to have a second track. However, damaged sections of the old tunnel will likely be repaired without caring to keep a loading gauge compatible with trains, so to reopen it to trains would need more work that just laying again a track.

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They need a plan to develop the valleys there and increase the canton population 50% in 15 years.
The go there and search for a wife...

(I would just be a bit worried to have many little Subs giving odd advices on things they do not know...)
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I meant people moving from the rest of Switzerland there, imagine if Klosters or Davos were just 100-110min away from Zuerich...
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Old August 21st, 2016, 12:57 AM   #2469
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How are plans from SBB to implement other forms of ticketing? There was all this talk of using NFC on mobile gadgets instead of going for totems or electronic validators...
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Old August 21st, 2016, 09:35 PM   #2470
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How are plans from SBB to implement other forms of ticketing? There was all this talk of using NFC on mobile gadgets instead of going for totems or electronic validators...
Not very well. The canton of Zug has withdrawn its support of a pilot of the bibo-project (be-in-be-out, meaning automatic detection of riders) at the end of 2014. Yet SBB still wants to implement the system by 2025 at the latest. One of the problems that still need solving are the restrictions on data collection. Technical challenges are to be expected; let's not forget this would be the first such installation worldwide, to my knowledge.

I would expect there will still be significant push towards this system because swiss wages are high and one could reduce or eliminate conductors. There's already 300m long double decker local trains with a total personnel of one - the train driver - stopping at stations without any personnel at all.
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It's strange to me that they didn't go for a 2-tracks tunnel, providing much more timetable flexibility; but surely they had their reasons.
As K_ already pointed out: In Switzerland, long term target timetables are designed first and only then the necessary infrastructure is built. If there are no planned train crossings in the Albulatunnel area, there is not point to building an expensive double track there. And it would definitely be expensive to bring the old Albulatunnel to current standards, the article quoted here mentioned that it would cost nearly as much as a new tunnel.
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 09:24 PM   #2472
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 10:18 PM   #2473
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>.. it can be quite useful to have a double track to make up for delays or program the timetable around a long passing loop.
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But that is my point. In Switzerland you don't program the timetable around passing loops. You program the passing loops around the timetable.

Having a long passing loop, such that trains can cross without slowing down is useful. Which is why RhB built such a long passing loop northwards from Preda...
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I meant people moving from the rest of Switzerland there, imagine if Klosters or Davos were just 100-110min away from Zuerich...
I think this idea is called an "Alptraum" in the local vernacular.
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I think this idea is called an "Alptraum" in the local vernacular.
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I think this idea is called an "Alptraum" in the local vernacular.
If you could please explain what "Alptraum" means, I would appreciate it.

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If you could please explain what "Alptraum" means, I would appreciate it.
Apltraum could be understood as "Alpine Dream", but it is in fact the German word for "Nightmare".

This was in response to a remark from Suburbanist. He thinks making St. Moritz a suburb of Zürich would be a good idea. I believe that most of the inhabitants of St. Moritz would consider it a nightmare...
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Ah, thanks.

It would certainly require very careful zoning in order to ensure that the atmosphere isn't ruined. I think it could be done, though.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 04:44 PM   #2479
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I would love to travel with one of this trains. Especially in the surrounding of such a beautiful views!
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Old August 24th, 2016, 11:27 PM   #2480
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Standard coaches type I push-pull train with the leading cab car BDt 50 85 82-33 923-2 and the pushing Re 4/4 II 11131 on the way from Basel SBB to Zürich Airport.
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