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Old May 31st, 2011, 09:04 PM   #361
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Last car models on the Belgian network have very little difference
between second and first, and I think this is an error. First because the
50% price uplift becomes difficult to justify (for me, it's now much less a
difference of comfort than a difference of public) but also now people have
all good reasons to sit in first class with a second class ticket, and pretend
they did it by mistake when they get caught. At least here it can't happen...
To make matters even worse Belgian train passengers think that they can claim seats in first class if second class is full. Last time I was in Belgium we had first class tickets, and had to stand anyway, while seats were occupied by people with second class tickets en go-passes...

Being used to Swiss Railways this does get annoyed. At least in Switzerland you can still reserve seats on domestic trains, something I can really appreciate when going to Ticino on holiday weekends.
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Old May 31st, 2011, 11:52 PM   #362
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Yeah, if you were paying good money for a longer journey for once I agree with suburbanist. It would be bad if you sat next to some fat person or if they had lots of crap in a backpack or something. I had that experience on a bus, where the rider next to me was building a sort of campsite in his seat with all the comforts of home and crushing me to death.

It's normal for the bottom deck of commuter trains though.

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Old June 1st, 2011, 04:35 PM   #363
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What is the EW IV top speed?

IC 2000 is 200 km/h, AFAIK?
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Old June 1st, 2011, 08:00 PM   #364
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The top speed of the EW IV is also 200km/h, but that's only for the cars that got an upgrade to be used in the IC push-pull sets. That's about 60% of the whole fleet, the other 40% still has a max speed of 160km/h.

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The SBB said that its ETR 470 will be whitdrawn by the end of 2014, and that they will not receive the planned midlife overhaul. Only minor and temporary maintenance works will be carried on for about 12 millions CHF. It is not know what are the planes for Trenitalia's ETR, nor by what they will be replaced.
At least they will have more then enough "Eurocity" cars available after the new double decker sets come into service.

The dilemma for the SBB is that they have to choose between standard HST sets or tilting sets. The longer they wait with an order the bigger the chance that it will be non tilting sets. With the opening of the Gotthard Base tunnel the time reduction for using tilting trains compared to regular trains won't be as big anymore. If they will order new trains now they will come into service just before the tunnel opens, order later and they will start operating in the tunnel straight away. It's not that weird that the SBB did some research into ordering full High Speed trains with a full tilting system. Since that was deemed impossible by the industry they probably made the choice to wait a bit longer before ordering a new train.


In the mean time, how are the ETR610 holding out now they are fully approved to run with a working tilting system on the Gotthard line?
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Old June 1st, 2011, 10:55 PM   #365
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In the mean time, how are the ETR610 holding out now they are fully approved to run with a working tilting system on the Gotthard line?
In theory the ETR 610 should have a temporary permission to tilt on the Gotthard line valid until spring 2012, but the only return trip that uses them shows constant delays, so I suppose something changed and they cannot tilt anymore.

This is not a problem anyway, the SBB said that since next december this return trip will be limited to Basel-Gotthard-Milano (instead of Venice) and that it will be run using an ETR 470.

Finally the ETR 610 will have run only one year and on only one return trip a day on the line for which they where bought, what a success...

In addition some trains currently run (theoretically) by ETR 470 will receive a new timing and will be run with conventional trains. The current timetable requires 4 trains out of 9 running each day, but as of today only 2 or 3 trains are in running conditions and used daily as half the fleet is out of service for maintenance or accidents, the last ETR 470 (train 8) having broken down today running as EC 20 (I don't know the damages and if and when it will re-enter service).
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Old June 11th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #366
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A freight train took fire yesterday morning in the Simplon tunnel. Nobody was hurt but the tunnel is still closed as the fire is not totally extinguished even after 36 hours, albeit one tube could open tomorrow at midday. The damaged tube may remain clsoed for weeks or months.





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Yesteday the nearby Simplon road was closed because of the smoke:

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Old June 11th, 2011, 01:00 PM   #367
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It doesn't look so bad as to close it for several months; I hope CFF can repair it in some weeks...
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Old June 11th, 2011, 01:48 PM   #368
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Next year heavy refurbishment works will be done in this tunnel, with long closures of one of the four parts of the tunnel, so it is possible they will anticipate these works and keep closed the damaged section for months. The fire happened in the southern section of the west tunnel, so the other three sections are intact. The result will be single track operation for about 10 km.

At least the eastern tunnel has been reopened, a first shuttle train Brig-Domodossola will use it within 5 minutes. EuroCity trains will probably not run until tomorrow at least, until then only some freight and Brig-Domodossola shuttles will run.

Shuttle timetable: http://sbb-him.hafas.de/download/110...lanSimplon.pdf
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Old June 12th, 2011, 11:46 AM   #369
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Old June 21st, 2011, 01:25 AM   #370
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"Flirt Vaudoise" RABe 523 027 as "S 1" from Villeneuve via Lausanne to Yverdon-les-Bains is passing the wine village St-Saphorin on the shore of Lake Geneva. In the background another Flirt in the opposite direction.

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Soubledeck commuter train from StadlerRail for the SBB, RABe 511 001, on a transfer run from the Valais to Berne, on the 7.8 km long and 3.8 % steep connecting line from Vevey on the Lake Geneva through the vineyards up to Puidoux-Chexbres on the line Lausanne-Fribourg.

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Inter Regio 1728 from Brig to Geneva Airport passing the small wine village St-Saphorin on the shore of Lake Geneva, between Vevey and Lausanne.

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The ETR 610 have suffered some problems with the wheels.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/13547443

They where taken out of service for a day causing problems with the services through the Simplon.

But they are more reliable then the ETR 470 with less delays then the old Pendolino's, although they are still not up to par with the SBB standard.

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Verspätungen im Jahr 2010:

• CIS ETR 470, Cisalpino
weniger als 5 Minuten: 49,4 Prozent
weniger als 15 Minuten: 22,4 Prozent

• CIS ETR 610, Cisalpino Due
weniger als 5 Minuten: 28,2 Prozent
weniger als 15 Minuten: 12,3 Prozent
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Old July 16th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #372
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The problems of the ETR 470 are not really due with trains breaking down en route, but with trains unavailable (also because SBB and Trenitalia don't want to repair them, which is quite costly). For example, a train leave Milan at 7.10 and go back and forth to Zürich until 22.50, with no pause longer than 20 minutes. So if the first trip of the day is 20' late in Zürich, the last will arrive 60' late in Milan midnight. Personally I find the ETR 470 quite confortable, when they work correctly and are cleaned (which is not assured, especially for Trenitalia's trains).
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Trenitalia should put a "Freccia Svizzera" train on operation and do it as open-access carrier in Swiss territory, instead of having to cope with SBB.

They should do like DB does with the EC München-Verona-Venezia.

Only difference is that they wouldn't be able to carry passengers on domestic trips in CH.

OBB should start another set of open-access services without trying to enter into joint ventures with Trenitalia. SBB undermined Cisalpino a lot.
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Open acces passenger trains are not allowed as thankfully Switzerland is not part of the EU.

DB-ÖBB operate alone their EC because Trenitalia didn't wanted them, as most international trains to Italy have been whitdrawn in recent years. Trenitalia is even making its best to sabotage these trains (and Arenaways, NTV, and any othe rpossible competitor).
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Open acces passenger trains are not allowed as thankfully Switzerland is not part of the EU.
That would be a shortsighted policy. As a country positioned in the center of trans-European traffic, Switzerland would be poised to earn million on access fees from open access carriers.
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The money it could earn doesn't compensate for the loss of capacity of the many staurated (and, those from Italy, single track) lines around the network.
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An article from Romandie's La Chaux-de-Fonds city, often forgotten as the third largest city of the language region

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La Chaux-de-Fonds refuse d'être l'oubliée du rail Le Matin



La Chaux-de-Fonds se sent maltraitée et ignorée. Elle estime qu'en tant que troisième ville de Suisse romande elle mériterait d'avoir plus de place dans le projet de financement et d'aménagement de l'infrastructure ferroviaire de la Confédération.

La Chaux-de-Fonds ne veut pas être l'oubliée du rail. Le Conseil communal estime que la 3e ville de Suisse romande est "totalement ignorée" dans le projet de financement et d'aménagement de l'infrastructure ferroviaire (FAIF) de la Confédération mis en consultation ce printemps. Les autorités ont écrit une lettre à l'Office fédéral des transports pour faire part de leur mécontentement.

A l'approche du 1er Août et des discours sur la cohésion nationale, la question prend une importance toute particulière et les parlementaires fédéraux neuchâtelois sont invités à y réfléchir. Dans leur lettre, les autorités demandent que la connexion de La Chaux-de-Fonds (38'000 habitants) réponde aux mêmes standards que ceux prévus pour d'autres villes de taille comparable. Elles déplorent que les principales villes du pays n'aient pas été associées au projet FAIF.

"La troisième ville de Suisse romande ne figure même pas sur les cartes et documents", s'étrangle le Conseil communal. Cela est "inadmissible et ne peut être lu que comme une marque de mépris à l'égard de toute une région".

Les temps de parcours dans la région demeurent proches des performances affichées au début du XXe siècle, dénonce la Ville dans un communiqué. Les infrastructures sont "héritées du temps de la vapeur" et la région est totalement absente des projets d'amélioration.

Le Conseil communal demande de prendre en considération le Jura neuchâtelois et l'Arc jurassien dans le projet FAIF. La desserte du noeud ferroviaire de La Chaux-de-Fonds doit absolument être améliorée. Cela passe notamment par une relation avec Berne via Bienne à la demi-heure en intégrant la connexion de La Chaux-de-Fonds dans le réseau RER de Berne. La Ville réclame aussi une relation avec Lausanne à la demi-heure via le projet de nouvelle infrastructure Transrun.
Basically they complain about the fact that the city is ignored in the last long-term railway infrastructure financing study (FAIF), being a relatively important city and getting much less attention than other comparable cities.

Their demands are to improve the railway lines to and from the city, most importantly to add a train every half an hour to Bern via Biel-Bienne by integrating the city into the suburban network of Bern, as well as a new train every half an hour to Lausanne using the new railway network built in the canton (Neuchâtel) which plans to build a new direct line between La Chaux-de-Fonds and Neuchâtel among other stuff around 2020.

I honestly don't see the city included into Bern's RER, as it is too far from it and there are probably relatively few daily commuters to the city, which are the main aim of such network, but increasing frequencies to Lausanne and Bern by normal interregio trains would be good; in the first case it would be pretty easy as it would just require to extend services from Neuchâtel once the new line is built...
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I hate, anywhere they might be, these local-level politicians that dare to mingle to argue about strictly technical decisions like "a train every hour" or "a flight that arrives here, but departing xyz only after 9pm".

Sure, it is ok to demand a longer runway, a wider highway, a straightened/tunneled railway, but to go down on schedules is pedantic. In CH, NL, I or anywhere else.
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Overblown. It is counterproductive to engage the public (and take comments) for something strictly technical like timetables, instead of focusing on new infrastructure or improvements.
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