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Old November 10th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #421
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Zürich HB will have 18 stub tracks and 8 through tracks in a few years (today 4 of the 8 through tracks are under construction, and there are 4 more temporary stub tracks).

It is not the busiest on the world but with 3000 trains and 300.000 passengers a day has more traffic than Milano Centrale.

For the Weinbergtunnel: www.durchmesserlinie.ch
I recently visited the building site of the new underground station. It's quit impressive. Especially when you stand in a big cavern nowing there is an actual river running above you:



Once the new underground station is finished the current temporary tracks 51-54 will be removed.
Tracks 1 and 2 will be renumbered and become 21 and 22. Tracks 3-18 will keep their numbers (so there will no longer be a track 1 or 2, and tourists will no longer look for track to next to track 3, where it never was...)
The four new underground tracks will get number 31-34, and the four existing S-Bahn tracks (joew 21-24) will get numbers 41-44.
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I think he meant 5:40 and not 4:50.

Then it's the restaurant car of the ICE 1, that's also visible in the 1st vid. It's not a double deck car, it just has a raised roof to fit all the kitchen equipment. The 2nd row of windows are just like skylights, nothing more. It doesn't provide any panoramic views for example.
Ah OK, thanks, So what's the Yellow large gantry you see when the Youtube poster pans back at :45 in Video #2 - Is it a Crane used for unloading Freight?
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Old November 10th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #423
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Ah OK, thanks, So what's the Yellow large gantry you see when the Youtube poster pans back at :45 in Video #2 - Is it a Crane used for unloading Freight?
No that's part of the building currently going on. It's a gantry that connects the (underground) building site with a staging area to the side. Concrete gets produced in that staging area (the materials are delivered by train) and then pumped to the site using pipes that run over that gantry.
You can see it very well on google maps.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:22 PM   #424
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CNN-report about Zürich HB:

Swiss trains run like clockwork: http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=ie...ity-zurich.cnn

'Train-addicted' Swiss on track for rail revamp: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/09/wo...ink/index.html
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Old November 17th, 2011, 11:23 PM   #425
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The Simplon Tunnel will be reopened tomorrow after the necessary reparation works caused by the fire in June this year.

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Demain 18 novembre 2011, les CFF terminent les travaux de remise en état du tunnel du Simplon endommagé par l’incendie le 9 juin dernier. Au total, les réparations, qui se sont déroulées sans incident, auront coûté 12 millions. Dans le tunnel, les travaux se poursuivent avec la modernisation prévue avant l’incident. Ils débuteront au changement d’horaire et dureront jusqu’en 2014. L’horaire actuel reste valable jusqu’à la fin des travaux d’assainissement.

Read the whole communiqué de presse: CFF
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Old November 17th, 2011, 11:36 PM   #426
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There's also the new announcement of the schedules starting from 11th December.

Among other stuff, Basel and Paris will be linked using the TGV 2N2 (two floors TGV).

Delémont (capital of the canton of Jura) will be linked with Paris in 1h30 less thanks to the opening of the high-speed railway line Rhine-Rhône.

The RER network of the city of Fribourg will start operating, initially linking the city with the city of Bulle (pop. 18,000), and these with Bern during peak hours.

Offer will be generally increased between and inside french-speaking cantons, as well as services towards Germany.

Only CFF's ETR610 will be used to link Basel-Bern-Milano, and travel time between Zurich and Milano will be increased by 30min for some services to increase punctuality (that's weird, Coccodrillo might know why, I guess it's due the shitty Cisalpino trainsets but I'm not sure).

Go to the official communiqué de presse to read about all details: CFF (german, french and italian only)
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What a shame, padding schedules by 30 min to conceal lack of proper priority assignment (you always hold one lesser, regional trains to make way for international trains, and re-do schedules to accommodate long-distance trains before caring about local trains that can run anytime).
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Old November 18th, 2011, 09:59 AM   #428
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... and travel time between Zurich and Milano will be increased by 30min for some services to increase punctuality (that's weird, Coccodrillo might know why, I guess it's due the shitty Cisalpino trainsets but I'm not sure).
The main reason for the increased time is that that the ETR470 sets will gradually be pulled from service. Loco hauled service need more time on this route.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 10:13 AM   #429
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What a shame, padding schedules by 30 min to conceal lack of proper priority assignment (you always hold one lesser, regional trains to make way for international trains, and re-do schedules to accommodate long-distance trains before caring about local trains that can run anytime).
And again you demonstrate your lack of real knowledge when it comes to railways. SBB is very good at writing schedules, and the long distance trains are always schedules first, with regional trains scheduled around them. (That's the only way you can have good interconnection between regional and long distance services anyway).

The padding has nothing to do with priority asignment. The main reason is Trenitalia's inability to keep enough ETR470 available.
When the fleet was divided after the dissolution of Cissalpino 4 ETR470 sets went to SBB and 5 went to Trenitalia. At one time only 1 (one) of the 5 TI ETR470 sets was in working condition. At the moment all 4 SBB ETR470 sets are running, and 3 of the 5 TI sets. This has forced SBB to subsitute conventional trains on a semi-permanent basis this year.

So it has been decided that the ETR470 sets will be gradually removed from service as they reach 4.3 million km. Loco hauled trains will take over until the Gotthard Base Tunnel openens, at which time new HSTs, which the SBB will order any time now, will take over.
Loco hauled trains need more time however. Which is why the schedule has been lengthened. It's basically the schedule most Zürich - Milano services have been running at last year now made official...
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Old November 18th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #430
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Because of the lack of reliability of the ETR 470 some trains will be run with conventional (non tilting) stock on a different timetable. Conventional trains are only 10 to 15 minutes slower than tilting trains, but as lines both in Zürich and Milan are quite congested there are many constraints that oblige to lengthen the timetable by 38 minutes (trains to Milan can leave Zürich only at 09 and 31 past each hour, trains to Zürich can leave Milan only at 10 and 40). These constraints will cause a lot of problems when the two base tunnels will open in 2019.

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What a shame, padding schedules by 30 min to conceal lack of proper priority assignment (you always hold one lesser, regional trains to make way for international trains, and re-do schedules to accommodate long-distance trains before caring about local trains that can run anytime).
Beside what has been said by K, the timetable of Zürich-Milano trains has been planned with too optimism. When there is less traffic (basically on Sunday: less regional and less freight trains) the ETR often manage to be on time. But, that's obvious for everyone except you, canceling 4 regional and 4 freight trains to make way for a single EuroCity is not considered an option.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 11:22 AM   #431
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Not only some train timetables have been lengthened, but two ave been canceled: there will be no EC trains from 11 to 15 from each terminus

SBB says that they don't have enough trains, but that's not true: even if there is a lack of tilting trains, there would be enough conventional locomotives and coaches to reintroduce even the hourly service eliminated in december 2008.

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During that time, can't they take a train to Bern and change for Zürich?
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During that time, can't they take a train to Bern and change for Zürich?
The timetable over the Simplon has some inexplicable gaps too. Last time I traveled Milano - Bern I actually went via Arth-Goldau and Luzern...
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trains to Zürich can leave Milan only at 10 and 40
I find it rather odd that trains can only leave Milano Centrale on times that are a multiple of 5min past the hour.. But that's trenitalia for you.

The constraints at Zürich will be lessened in the future as the new underground station opens. That will free up capacity on the terminal tracks. That with some improvements on Zürich - Thalwyl and Zug - Arth Goldau should hopefully mean that we get faster trains somewhere after 2017.
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SBB says that they don't have enough trains, but that's not true: even if there is a lack of tilting trains, there would be enough conventional locomotives and coaches to reintroduce even the hourly service eliminated in december 2008.
Are their really enough conventional coaches? I thought that quite a few former international coaches have lost their permission to run abroad after the last revision. SBB prefers to use them domestically mostly.
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The timetable over the Simplon has some inexplicable gaps too. Last time I traveled Milano - Bern I actually went via Arth-Goldau and Luzern...
There are not enough ETR 610, and it is possible that grouping trains in three batches maximizes the number of trips.

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Are their really enough conventional coaches? I thought that quite a few former international coaches have lost their permission to run abroad after the last revision. SBB prefers to use them domestically mostly.
There are hundreds of Bpm RIC available, and some Stadler Flirt. If only they wanted...
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Why not make Chiasse a huge international terminal, build a nice terminal there, 100% covered, and then just cut all trains in Chiasso, so that instead of trying to impose their way of doing business over Italy, the socialistic railway management of SBB can operate as they want until Chiasso, then let other operators take traffic Chiasso - Milano?
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Why not make Chiasse a huge international terminal, build a nice terminal there, 100% covered, and then just cut all trains in Chiasso, so that instead of trying to impose their way of doing business over Italy, the socialistic railway management of SBB can operate as they want until Chiasso, then let other operators take traffic Chiasso - Milano?
If there was a way to measure the degree in which a railway is socialist, I think that Trenitalia would end up being one of the more "socialist" railways in Europe, and SBB one of the least.

Now, this is not about SBB imposing their way of oding business on other countries. Notice how SBB has not problem cooperating with Austria, with Germany and with France. It's only with Italy that there are large issues. Issues exist also between Italy and all it's other neighbors. So I'd guess it's Trenitalia that needs to get its act together.
That Trenitalia can't keep enough sets of an _Italian_ build train available to keep up its' part of the bargain has nothing to do with SBB management...
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There are hundreds of Bpm RIC available,
Most of those RIC Bpm can't run abroad anymore. They also are not really up to the current standard for international trains. And SBB needs them desperately for domestic services.

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There are very few of those Flirts that are actually allowed in Italy. SBB is using some of the Tilo flirts for services from Geneva to France...
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There are very few of those Flirts that are actually allowed in Italy.
Normally SBB Filrts are only equipped to 15kV~, aren't they?
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