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Old November 19th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #441
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The Bpm RIC are certainly not comfortable, but I would still prefer them rather than waiting in queue on the Italian A8-A9 or in Milan's streets.

There would be enough Flirts to, at least, restore the EC CIS 18/19 between Milan and Bellinzona (or, at least, Chiasso).
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:46 PM   #442
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The Bpm RIC are certainly not comfortable, but I would still prefer them rather than waiting in queue on the Italian A8-A9 or in Milan's streets.

The tunnel and the Chiasso border are the most congested points anyway.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 08:31 PM   #443
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Old November 20th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #444
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The tunnel and the Chiasso border are the most congested points anyway.
Maybe for Italian definitions of congestions, but not for Swiss definitions of congestion.
SBB seems to be able to run a lot more trains on the same infrastructure. Something ecnomists call "a higher return on capital employed" and something you seem to insist on calling "socialism"...
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Old November 20th, 2011, 01:28 PM   #445
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He's referring to the motorway.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #446
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Normally SBB Filrts are only equipped to 15kV~, aren't they?
SBB has several versions. The Flirts they orders for Tilo can run under 15Kv AC and 3KV DC. They also ordered Flirts for services from Basel to France that can run under 25Kv.
Some of the Tilo flirts are running on Geneva - LaPlaine, as running a 3KvDC set under 1.5Kv DC is not really a problem if you're willing to live with a bit less acceleration.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 01:40 PM   #447
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He's referring to the motorway.
My mistake...
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Old November 28th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #448
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CNN's The Gateway has a series on the Swiss network (centered around Zürich HB).

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/09/wo...ink/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/23/wo...urich-station/
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video...ity-zurich.cnn
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Old December 1st, 2011, 02:06 AM   #449
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Apparently there are plans to increase Geneva's main station capacity to meet passanger traffic increase from the CEVA line (under construction), that can already be absorved by the station, and traffic from the rest of Switzerland, and specially with Lausanne with whom number of passangers has doubled in the past 10 years (from 25K to 50K) and expected to double again in the next 10 years to 100K daily passangers using the corridor. This would be done mainly by adding two more lines at the expense of some buildings next to the station.

This is a medium-term project not expected to be built before 15 years. Total cost: Between 800 and 1,000 million.

Source: Tribune de Genève

There is another option which is building a new main station in La Praille (there is already a secondary station there), but that would cost a lot of money as it means not just building the station itself but also moving away the freight station (la Praille is that), reorganise public transportation in the city, building more lines between that station and current Cornavin's station etc.
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What they could do in the short term is integrate the "French" part of the station in the Swiss part, so to have more operational flexibility. Is there any mention of that?
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Old December 1st, 2011, 09:33 AM   #451
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I find it rather odd that trains can only leave Milano Centrale on times that are a multiple of 5min past the hour.. But that's trenitalia for you...
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If there was a way to measure the degree in which a railway is socialist, I think that Trenitalia would end up being one of the more "socialist" railways in Europe, and SBB one of the least...
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Maybe for Italian definitions of congestions, but not for Swiss definitions of congestion.
SBB seems to be able to run a lot more trains on the same infrastructure. Something ecnomists call "a higher return on capital employed" and something you seem to insist on calling "socialism"...
Do you suffer of italian phobia?
Be relaxed.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 02:03 PM   #452
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Do you suffer of italian phobia?
Be relaxed.
I don't suffer from Italophobia. I wouldn't know why. However, I do disagree with people (one in particular) who seem to think that Italy is the benchmark when it comes to things railway. Since there can't be a higher contrast in Europe than that between the Swiss and the Italian railways I'm a bit skeptical of that claim...

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Old December 17th, 2011, 11:14 PM   #453
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Road-to-rail policy to miss goals

The government says the country’s targets for a substantial reduction in the number of heavy trucks crossing the Alps will not be reached.
In a statement on Friday, the cabinet said there would be 250,000 more trucks this year than the goal of 1 million, and that the target of a maximum of 650,000 trucks by 2018 was unrealistic.



Swiss voters approved a constitutional amendment in 1994 introducing the 650,000 limit. It was to have come into force in 2009 and was later postponed to 2018 – two years after the opening of the Gotthard Base rail tunnel.

At the time of the vote, the Swiss rallied around inhabitants of alpine valleys who considered trucks a major risk to the environment and their health, since harmful emissions are trapped by the valley walls.

One aim of building the tunnel along with the other major transalpine rail link, the Lötschberg tunnel - which opened in 2007 – was to transfer freight from road to rail in order to achieve the targets.

In its statement, the government said however that if it had not been for the opening of the Lötschberg, increased fees for transalpine vehicles and the liberalisation of rail freight, there would be 600,000 more trucks crossing the Alps each year than there are today.



No hefty hike
It added that additional measures will be needed to improve the attractiveness of rail, but only a hefty hike in truck fees – which agreements with the European Union do not allow – would enable Switzerland to achieve its 2018 target.

In a first reaction, Alpine Initiative, the lobby group behind the road-to-rail initiative, said it was “disappointed” with the government’s report, calling on Switzerland to enter serious negotiations with the EU to introduce quotas on transalpine freight.

Alpine Initiative believes this kind of system, known as the Alpine Crossing Exchange mechanism, would enable Switzerland to meet its targets.

“The government is aware of the medicine needed to cure the transit madness on our roads, but it doesn’t want to use it,” said Fabio Pedrina, Alpine Initiative president.



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The cabinet did emphasise in its report that the Alpine Crossing Exchange was the only other way - besides increasing fees significantly – to achieve Switzerland’s targets. However, neither approach had found favour in Brussels, it added.

For its part, Astag, Switzerland’s road hauliers’ association, said the government report was recognition that the country’s policy of transferring goods from road to rail has been a failure.

“Despite compulsory measures by the state, which have made road transport unilaterally and massively more expensive, in most cases rail is not competitive,” Astag said on its website.

It said Switzerland’s policy of transferring freight from road to rail had “failed conclusively”.
Astag wants to see a speedy change of policy away from state-imposed restrictions on road freight, towards “genuine cooperation” between the different freight carriers.

The next step for the government will be to propose a plan next year on how it can tap the full potential of the system of levies on heavy goods vehicles.

The agreement with the EU foresees a maximum fee of SFr325 ($347) for a journey from Basel - on Switzerland’s northwestern border with Germany and France - to Chiasso on the southeastern border with Italy. The price is currently only SFr288.

In 2010, there was an increase in both road and rail freight transported across the country, with rail taking 64.1 per cent of the total as opposed to 62.6 per cent the previous year.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 07:58 AM   #455
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This is the best thing about the Bpm RIC, windows that can open even in the winter so you can stick your head out and take pictures.

Thanks for the report!
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:34 AM   #456
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I don't know how long they will last in service. There is only one left in every standard IR rake now (1 luggage van, 1 Apm EC, 1 Apm Panoramic, 3 Bpm EC, 1 Bpm RIC), a few more when extra coaches are added like on my train.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #457
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This is the best thing about the Bpm RIC, windows that can open even in the winter
Trains whose windows open are so 1970 IMHO. The word of modernity is forced ventilation (with or without heating/cooling, doesn't matter) and sealed windows that reduce noise greatly.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #458
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Not on touristic trains like the one I traveled on.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:15 PM   #459
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Not on touristic trains like the one I traveled on.
They might take an example from the RhB here. The new trains ordered for the Chur - st. Moritz service will have a photographers lounge, with opening windows. The rest of the train will be airconditioned, as is now the norm.

So the right thing for the SBB to do on this route would be to continue to offer a mixture of car types.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 05:02 PM   #460
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I prefer trains with opening windows too. In Spring/Summer/Fall it's great to open them and feel the air coming in, specially when travelling around mountains! I don't mind the airconditioned, I don't think it's really needed in Switzerland if you can open windows except for some few days in the year. Unfortunately they are disappearing, altough they are still common in here for regional services to Geneva and Valais for example.
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