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Old April 18th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #741
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70% of V250 problems are due to the inept actions of Infrabel and, to a much lesser extent, ProRail.
Not true.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 08:44 AM   #742
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My guess is that the contract will be awarded to Alstom or Bombardier, potentially in a joint venture as they did with the ICN. If I'm not mistaken (I am not into that much detail of the Swiss railway market), InterCity Neige is a success story.
I have now read that the following companies have been invited to the information briefing (which doesn't mean they will offer however).

- Alstom
- Bombardier
- Siemens
- Stadler
- CAF
- Talgo
- AnsaldoBreda
- Hitachi

So the usual suspects, plus a couple of outsiders...
That Hitachi might take part is an interesting twist. But Hitachi is interested in getting in to the European Rail market. AnsaldoBreda is probably invited because they'll throw a fit otherwise.
It would be interesting to see if Stadler has another go. Their attempt at getting the IC doubledecker order cost them about 40 million CHF. But Stadler does have ambitions to enter the high speed/long distance market, so they might give it another try.

ICN btw, is indeed reliable and succesful, but it is a rather expensive train to maintain for SBB, which is why the new order is for non tilting sets...
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Old April 18th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #743
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70% of V250 problems are due to the inept actions of Infrabel and, to a much lesser extent, ProRail.
Which inept actions please ? Would you care to expand ?
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Old April 18th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #744
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Which inept actions please ? Would you care to expand ?
Changing the design after the other was placed, and delaying the implementation of ECTS which was needed for tests before HSL-Zuid had been completed.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:05 PM   #745
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Changing the design after the other was placed, and delaying the implementation of ECTS which was needed for tests before HSL-Zuid had been completed.
One major problem is power packs burning out, which means that trains often ended test runs with only half the traction motors operational. That is quite serious problem, and I fail to see how that can be anything but the suppliers fault.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #746
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Changing the design after the other was placed, and delaying the implementation of ECTS which was needed for tests before HSL-Zuid had been completed.
The design of the train is a result of the wishes of the customer (NS Hispeed and NMBS) mixed with the regulations as set out by the European TSIs. ProRail and Infrabel have nothing to do with those.

The same applies to ETCS: the specifications are determined by the European Railway Agency together with the railway industry.
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Old April 21st, 2012, 10:43 AM   #747
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The DLP (Doppellok Pendel = double locomotive shuttle), the ETR 470's replacements until the delivery of the new trains. Two locos are needed because there are no driving trailers approved in both Italy and Switzerland. SBB has 12 Re 474 locos so there will be 6 trainsets.



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Old April 21st, 2012, 12:37 PM   #748
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Is this what Cisalpino had come to be after all lol?
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Old April 21st, 2012, 01:32 PM   #749
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What a waste of locomotive resources
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Old April 21st, 2012, 07:40 PM   #750
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Yes, but they need shuttle trains because apparently RFI/Trenitalia don't want too much trains manoeuvring in Milano Centrale...and, beside that, these trains will have to reverse in a few minutes in Rotkreuz in 2017 and 2018 (because of the closure of the Zug-Arth Goldau line for refurbishment).
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Milano Centrale doesn't have much available slots for long maneuvering with shunts and so.
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Sure, every competent railway engineer know that a track cannot handle more than a train every hour...
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Old April 21st, 2012, 10:27 PM   #753
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Sure, every competent railway engineer know that a track cannot handle more than a train every hour...
The problem are not the tracks but lack of available space for cross-track movements on the approach to the station.

Milano Centrale desperately needs 2 flyovers on its exit, but that is another issue.
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Well it's true that it could be improved, but I doubt it can't handle a new loco attached to a train every two hours, with removal of the first one. They do that already with national IC, many of them running with a driving trailer not used as such (but always trailed).
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What a waste of locomotive resources
That will depend on the number of passenger carriages, and on the
schedule that will be adopted. If they want a schedule like those
normally followed by an EMU, it might very well be that those two
locomotives are necessary. Provided, of course, that they can be
MU'ed, which is very likely. If the trailing loco remains idle, then of
course it is another story.
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SBB plans to use 7 coaches in each train, although on peak days the double would be very welcomed.

They will have a different timetable, using the current paths for tilting trains would be impossible (it's difficult also for tilting trains, so...).
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Old April 23rd, 2012, 04:18 PM   #757
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According to some there will be two locomotives only between the border at Chiasso and Milano (~50 km).
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Old April 26th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #758
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Graundünden has a lot of cross-skiing potential and could be a major tourist destination. Not to the level of the Lauterbrunnen valley but certainly like Valais or some valleys in neighboring Italy.

Instead of that, it is an stagnated region with declining population and no major resort/tourist/holiday residence development* planned.
Graubündens population increased by 0.4% in 2011, official data just been published today:
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e.../22/press.html
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Old April 26th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #759
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I think that Graubünden already IS a major tourist destination, Sub.

Afaik there isn't any "major resort/holiday residence development in Lauterbrunnen or Valais as well...
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Afaik there isn't any "major resort/holiday residence development in Lauterbrunnen or Valais as well...
That's not true: Valais
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