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Old April 26th, 2012, 01:10 PM   #761
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The problem are not the tracks but lack of available space for cross-track movements on the approach to the station.

Milano Centrale desperately needs 2 flyovers on its exit, but that is another issue.
Or more competent timetable planners...
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Old April 26th, 2012, 01:14 PM   #762
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Yes, but they need shuttle trains because apparently RFI/Trenitalia don't want too much trains manoeuvring in Milano Centrale...and, beside that, these trains will have to reverse in a few minutes in Rotkreuz in 2017 and 2018 (because of the closure of the Zug-Arth Goldau line for refurbishment).
Reversing a train in 5 minutes with change of loco's is something SBB does regularly in Luzern. So it ought to be possible in Rotkreuz as well :-)

But by 2017 we should already see the first of those 29 sets the SBB just tendered appear on the tracks. Provided Ansaldo Breda doesn't get the order...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #763
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The ETR 470 can sometimes offer a funny experience: http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/pen...id1878865.html

One thing is sure: in this set the tilting mechanism works perfectly
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Old May 13th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #764
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so few pictures and much talk

give us beautiful landscapes
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #765
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so few pictures and much talk

give us beautiful landscapes
Landscapes? Let's start with the Rhätische Bahn (Rhaetian Railway), RhB!

All pics from the great photographer Georg Trüb on railpictures.net















And especially for Suburbanist:

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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #766
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #767
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And especially for Suburbanist:

I really hate heavy rail on urban roads. Not because of the rail, but because they violate and adamant principle that each thing must be confined to its own ROW: no bikes on car lanes, no cars on pedestrian plazas, no pedestrians on highways and no slow, unsafe, outdated rail on streets whatsoever.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:53 PM   #768
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #769
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:26 PM   #770
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I really hate heavy rail on urban roads. Not because of the rail, but because they violate and adamant principle that each thing must be confined to its own ROW: no bikes on car lanes, no cars on pedestrian plazas, no pedestrians on highways and no slow, unsafe, outdated rail on streets whatsoever.
What principle? I've never heard of such a thing? Isn't heavy rail on streets in a sense just oversized trams anyway? I'm sure the town in question copes fine with the tracks running though the town.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #771
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What principle? I've never heard of such a thing? Isn't heavy rail on streets in a sense just oversized trams anyway? I'm sure the town in question copes fine with the tracks running though the town.
The principle that every traffic can run faster if it is completely segregated from everything else. If they built a tunnel or an elevated route, the train could run much faster and road traffic wouldn't be disrupted.

A heavy train doesn't have the same braking capabilities of a tram. They are not designed for braking on sight and quickly. Therefore the train just crawls through these streets, making it outdated and warranting some replacement (tunnel or viaduct or bypass).

Speed is everything in transportation in 2012...
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Speed is everything in transportation in 2012...
Except in Graubunden where the slowest fast trains of the world keep on making the most money for the RhB.

And lets be honest, the running on the streets is not ideal. But since this are just small villages and a mountain railway it doesn't really matter.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #773
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The principle that every traffic can run faster if it is completely segregated from everything else. If they built a tunnel or an elevated route, the train could run much faster and road traffic wouldn't be disrupted.
And if we gave everyone a helicopter we could even move faster.

Back in the real world the guiding principle is: You can't have everything. You always must compromise.

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A heavy train doesn't have the same braking capabilities of a tram. They are not designed for braking on sight and quickly. Therefore the train just crawls through these streets, making it outdated and warranting some replacement (tunnel or viaduct or bypass).
Nothing is stopping you from giving money to the city of Chur to put the Arosa railway in a tunnel...
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Nothing is stopping you from giving money to the city of Chur to put the Arosa railway in a tunnel...
Can't they just build a bypass of Chur instead?
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Can't they just build a bypass of Chur instead?
No. The only solution would be to go underground. The citizens of Chur have on several occasions shown that in their opinion that would be a waste of money. So for the time being the line will keep it's street running section.
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The serious tunnel project in the late 1980s/early 1990s was already a bypass since a tunnel as a direct line underneath the current route was not possible. The tunnel line would have been 700 meters longer, the train would have won 3 minutes in travel time. The only advantage would have been that the trains would not be running anymore through the city. It was shelved. And since the current situation is not really problematic I can't blame the locals for not wanting an expensive tunnel.
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The serious tunnel project in the late 1980s/early 1990s was already a bypass since a tunnel as a direct line underneath the current route was not possible. The tunnel line would have been 700 meters longer, the train would have won 3 minutes in travel time. The only advantage would have been that the trains would not be running anymore through the city. It was shelved. And since the current situation is not really problematic I can't blame the locals for not wanting an expensive tunnel.
Especially since there are quite a few other more meaningful ways to spend money. A new Albula tunnel for example.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #778
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The existing Albula tunnel needs to be refurbised, but it is possible that a new one will be built instead.

(another hoped tunnel project is the Wolfgang tunnel liking Davos with Langwies (on the Chur-Arosa line))
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The most advanced plans are for a new Albula tunnel.

According to this article the financing is also one step away from being secured.
http://www.suedostschweiz.ch/zeitung...atunnels-steht (13 Marz 2012)

If I read it correctly only the national parliament needs to approve the 220 million CHF that the national government will invest in this project. The construction should start in 2014.
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Can't they just build a bypass of Chur instead?
Topographically impossible, Chur fills the whole Schanfigg valley.

It would be much better to build a bypass for the cars anyway. The road through the Welschdörfli is really problematic and this has nothing to do with the rail.
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