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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #821
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Maybe Stadler should partner with Ansaldo Breda, which has a lot of spare capacity, and try to get the Italian government throwing some stimulus help to make costs cheaper for exports to CH... all this given AnsaldoBreda is rumored to be looking for some partner on the intercity market to share development costs after no more orders were placed for IC4 and the V250, which hasn't payed its development costs yet.
Stadler already partners with AnsaldoBreda on an order for regional EMU's for Italy, based on Stadler's proven products such as the GTW and the FLIRT.

Then there are rumours about a possible acquisition of AnsaldoBreda by the Japanese Hitachi Rail.

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Or maybe SBB could order some V250 on the cheap and have a fleet of high-speed trains for international services like Milano-Zurich.
Now why on earth would SBB order a batch of trains that still hasn't entered service, over 5 years late??
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #822
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Stadler has recently made it public that it will make an offer for the SBB "high speed trains".
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There are two major invitations to tender in Switzerland this year; SBB needs high-speed trains to travel through the new Gotthard base tunnel to Italy, and Zurich Public Transport (VBZ) is buying new trams. Having failed to win the last major order from SBB, these two invitations to tender are very important for Stadler.

http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...e-euro-crisis/
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:13 PM   #823
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SBB will be extremely careful with the new order, after the Cisalpino disaster.

(although it's not only fault of the ETR 470, in my opinion, they are being used as scapegoat)
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:25 PM   #824
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The Cisalpino debacle is the result of the Swiss not following up with the originally intended track upgrades and maintenance schedules and facilities.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:31 PM   #825
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Train maintenance was done by Trenitalia, and today the 4 ETR 470 sets owned by the SBB are always* working (with three scheduled to be used daily), while of the 5 sets owned by Trenitalia two are out of use since 12 to 18 months each, while of the remaining three only one a day was used in the last year until mid May, when they were all parked and not used anymore.

*with the exception of this month, as since the beginning of June only one is being used on alternate days
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Old June 27th, 2012, 12:13 AM   #826
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Wasn't the idea for SBB and Trenitalia (Cisalpino) establish a separate maintenance facility for these trains and future (defunct) Cisalpino services just north of Lugano?
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Old June 27th, 2012, 07:58 AM   #827
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The Cisalpino debacle is the result of the Swiss not following up with the originally intended track upgrades and maintenance schedules and facilities.
Euh. No.

The "intended track upgrades" were performed. The trains could run at their designed speed. The problem was the lack of preventive maintenance in Italy.

Trains also frequently get vandalized when overnighting in Milano. In no way that is SBB's fault.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #828
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Some more pics of the Stadler KISS RABe 511 (Regio-Dosto RVD in German / Duplex Régio in French):











All photos by Georg Trüb/railpictures.net
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #829
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Nice pics, but the lack of fences on Swiss railways unsettles me deeply.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #830
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How about this?



found here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...WN9h18g81izmVg

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Old June 28th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #831
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That is good isolation
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Old June 28th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #832
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Nice pics, but the lack of fences on Swiss railways unsettles me deeply.
That this unsettles you does not unsettle me in the slightest way ....:-)

You don't need fences around railways. The presence of tracks in itself already signal "don't go there".
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Nice pics, but the lack of fences on Swiss railways unsettles me deeply.
Yes we know, no need to repeat yourself over and over again.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #834
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You don't need fences around railways. The presence of tracks in itself already signal "don't go there".
Very young children might not be familiar with the danger of the tracks.

Moreover, animals can be struck badly.

Not every place yields a sound barrier, but all railways should be fenced to some extent (or physically isolated from its surroundings such that nobody can cross it except on designated passages, more or less like controlled-accessed highways are also segregated)
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Old June 28th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #835
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I would get depressed if I had to live there...
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Old June 28th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #836
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Very young children might not be familiar with the danger of the tracks.

Moreover, animals can be struck badly.

Not every place yields a sound barrier, but all railways should be fenced to some extent (or physically isolated from its surroundings such that nobody can cross it except on designated passages, more or less like controlled-accessed highways are also segregated)
Same as any road. Parents have a responsibility to not let children play in dangerous areas. The Swiss have a different approach to health and safety. As a track is obviously a dangerous place, they don't have to fence it, if it was near a built up area or grazing animals, they might.
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Old June 29th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #837
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I would get depressed if I had to live there...
That was built even taller than the nearby tracks, probably as noise-reduction measure. They can plant trees to conceal the barrier later...
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That would change nothing...
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Old June 29th, 2012, 02:02 AM   #839
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I would hate to live that close to the railway (or highway), fence or no fence. Probably costs significantly less, though.
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I would hate to live that close to the railway (or highway), fence or no fence. Probably costs significantly less, though.
Actually in Switzerland houses near a railways (but not necessary adjacent to it) are often more expensive. This because "near a railway" often includes "near a railway station", and having public transport nearby is valued, so house prices tend to be higher.
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