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Old September 28th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #921
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Yes. It is planned that many IC trains will stop there, formed of up to 14 coaches (400 m, like two ICE3 coupled and more than an Eurostar).
Up to 16 coaches in fact. The new IC doubledecker trainsets SBB ordered come in two lengths: 8 coaches (200m) and 4 coaches (100m).
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Old September 28th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #922
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i love these kinds of drawings
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Old September 28th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #923
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i love these kinds of drawings
SBB published a book about Bern Railway station full with that kind of drawings, showing the evolution of the station right from the beginning to the present. A fascinating book, and I hope they publish one for Zürich too once the works there are finished.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #924
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Train EC 14 will continue to arrive with a delay of 38 minutes every day also in 2013: http://www.progetto-orario.ch/filead...f/2013/600.pdf
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 06:19 AM   #925
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Did anyone from here attend the AlpTransit open day at Sigirino on Sat 29th?
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 10:40 AM   #926
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I did, I will post some photos later in the AlpTransit thread.

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Train EC 14 will continue to arrive with a delay of 38 minutes every day also in 2013: http://www.progetto-orario.ch/filead...f/2013/600.pdf
Here are the delays of this train in the last month. "Picco" denotes when the delay at some point during the trip was higher than the delay on arrival. Today's train is not on time, it is just that at the moment this train is still in Italy and this website didn't manage to record its run.

The website recorded delays of this train in the last 297 days, which arrived lat on 278 days and was cancelled on 47 days, with an average delay of 35 minutes. These statistics are not exacts though, as in June the Gotthard railway has been closed for a month so these days should not be considered here.

EC 14 is booked to be operated by a Pendolino tilting train, but as Trenitalia don't make maintenance on them (3 out of 5 are abandoned in its depot since one year, used as a diversion for vandals), this train is run with conventional coaches with a locomotive change at the border. The train is thus 20 minutes slower, but as it loses its entry slots in Arth Goldau, Zug and Zürich HB, it has to wait to enter them and receives an additional 20 minutes delay. Most of other trains average between 20 and 40 minutes delays.

Source Cessoalpino.com: http://www.cessoalpino.com/en/

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Old October 13th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #927
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I found a cool video of the construction works in Oerlikon:

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Old October 14th, 2012, 11:50 AM   #928
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Have you got any information of Rosshausern Tunnel (blueprints, usage, max speed in tunnel and construction dates)?
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Old October 14th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #929
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Something in English can be found here: http://www.bls.ch/e/infrastruktur/ba...sshaeusern.php

Max speed 160 km/h, length 2 km, double track, opening by the end of 2016. It will be used mainly by local trains (fast and local), and a few international trains (currently 1 TGV to Paris and 1 RegioExpress to Frasne in France). It replaces the existing 1 km tunnel, which is single track and in need of refurbishment.

In the German and French versions of the BLS website there are more informations, but it is not a technically interesting project, nor it has international or national importance, it is mainly for local traffic. Actually I'm wondered that someone outside the region and/or not fan of Swiss railways knows its existence



Aufhebung bestehende Strecke = demolition of the existing line
Notausstieg = emergency exit (via a shaft)
Bahnhofausbau Rosshäusern = upgrade of Rosshäusern railway station
Richtung = direction
Zustandserhaltung bestehender Tunnel = I don't understand clearly, it sounds like "maintaining the tunnel as it is"
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Old October 14th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #930
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I've lived in Basel for a few years now, but didn't know about the existence of this project either...
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Old October 14th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #931
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Have you got any information of Rosshausern Tunnel (blueprints, usage, max speed in tunnel and construction dates)?
Even if you don't understand the language, you can get your information in some pictures and graphics here:

http://www.bls.ch/data/medien/Projek...1_Mai_2009.pdf
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Old October 14th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #932
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Thanks for information. I'm glad to hear that. But there is one more question: how many similar tunnels across the route between Bern and Neuchatel and is that possible to upgrade them for double-track?

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Old October 14th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #933
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The tunnels on the BN line (so called from the company who built it) are:

Donnerbühl, 400m, two tracks, under part of Bern yard tracks
Rosshäusern, 1103/2080, one/two tracks (old/new)
Faverwald, 430 m, single track
Oberfeld, 300 m, single track
Marin, 55 m, single track
Champ-réveyres, 160 m, single track

Six tunnel totalling 3425 m on a 43 km railway. There are no plans to replace them or build new parallel tubes to double track the whole line, but some parts totalling around 23 km of that line are being doubled (where the timetable requires it).
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Old October 15th, 2012, 04:36 AM   #934
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Where, in your opinion, are the worst bottlenecks on the SBB network that would most benefit from double tracking?
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Old October 15th, 2012, 08:36 AM   #935
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Zustandserhaltung bestehender Tunnel = I don't understand clearly, it sounds like "maintaining the tunnel as it is"
It means I think that the tunnel will be preserved, ie, maintained to a level sufficient to prevent it from collapsing.
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Where, in your opinion, are the worst bottlenecks on the SBB network that would most benefit from double tracking?
Generally speaking the Swiss Railways expand the infrastructure with the timetable in mind. With a strict interval timetable trains always meet at the same points on the line, and that is where you then build passing loops. In normal operation trains rarely have to wait for oncoming trains. SBB so manages to sometimes have quite high levels of traffic even on single lines (But TSOL is the champion here, with 5 minute headways both ways on it's single tracked Lausanne - Renens line...)
Double tracking is thus usually done with a view of future expansion, not solving existing bottlenecks. The infrastructure on the current Bern - Neuchâtel line is sufficient for the current timetable, but the canton of Bern wants to expand the schedule, with 4 tph on Bern - Neuchâtel (two all stops, and two limited stop services) and 6 tph on the Bern - Brünnen (two extra all stop trains).
For that the line has been double tracked all the way to Rosshäusern, and that will be now extended with the double track tunnel.
Now other Cantons have their wishes too. They want to run up to two tph between Fribourg and Neuchâtel, which means that the western end of the line must handle 6 tph in the future too. For that the line is double tracked between Ins and Zihlbrücke.

There are however a few "bottlenecks" that would benefit from quadrupling though. It is planned to install four tracks throughout on Zürich - Olten, and two additional tracks also on Zürich - Winterthur.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 10:25 AM   #937
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There are many bottlenecks where something will have to be done to increase services.

Around Lausanne and Geneva, between Zürich and Olten, Basel and Olten, Zürich and Luzern, then south of Neuchâtel (line to la Chaux de Fonds) and south of Bellinzona, on the single track lines in Ticino, south of Biel-Bienne (there is a short single track section with 250 trains per day), and more.

For all of them them there is a project to increase capacity, but the more expensive ones are not to be realized soon. Most are federal projects, but some (like the new Neuchâtel-La Chaux de Fonds line) are cantonal projects. Actually I wonder why building that new line is considered a project of cantonal interest (with some money coming from the federal fund for urban transport), while doubling* of the Bellinzona-Locarno line will be financed by the federal government.

*except for the tunnel and section near Locarno, which will remain single track
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Old October 15th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #938
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About BN line it's all clear - thanks for everyone!
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Old October 15th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #939
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New photos from Zurich:

















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Old October 18th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #940
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Most are federal projects, but some (like the new Neuchâtel-La Chaux de Fonds line) are cantonal projects.
Well, as a mather of fact the Transrun project was rejected by 329 votes difference (50,3% against it), so no new Neuchâtel - La Tchaux line...
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