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Old October 27th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #941
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There is still hope, as a cantonal initiative has been launched to resuscitate the project. That project was an interesting example as how a relatively high expense (560 millions CHF) now could have lead to a saving of a comparable quantity in the next decades (350-400 millions CHF), if they want to build the same line in the future (in other words, the exactly same project in 2020 or 2030 will/would cost to the canton at least 900/950 millions CHF, instead of 560).

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I copy there two short texts I have written of another forum.

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A lot of newspaper here publicized this list, saying that these lines were under danger of closure.

Actually, really few of the railways of that list are under threat. The official statement of the federal transport department basically says that the lines that cover less than 50% will not receive more federal money without a more detailed report of their cost. That report should say for every line if a bus service would be cheaper. This means that a regional train service that covers only 25% of its costs, but that runs on a busy freight line which cannot be closed, will remain in place; while if such regional service use a railway line alone (i.e. without any other traffic) might not receive anymore federal funding. However cantons will still be able to finanche such lines, if they want.

One of the railways under thread is the Porrentruy-Bonfol. Try to follow its path south of the station from the link below to see what is the size of villages served.

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Bonfol...Giura&t=h&z=17

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Another example is the Le Locle-Les Brenets line, which also has the disadvantage of being narrow gauge, and so requiring its own EMU fleet and workshop that increase costs, all to link a small 1.200 inhabitants village with a small nearby town. The last time I went there the line had two EMU, one driving trailer, and a few maintenance wagons, with no diesel vehicle. For heavy overhauls and works the trains have to be moved by road to bigger and better equipped narrow gauge networks, an additional cost.

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Les+Br...A2tel&t=h&z=17

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75% of electric trains in Switzerland use hydropower, while the remaining use nuclear power. Diesel traction is negligible, used basically only on engineering trains, for shunting in yards, and in 4 short railways with only tourist and/or freight traffic (partially with steam). There is a single diesel railway line with regular passenger traffic, which leads to Germany and is managed by Deutsche Bahn, but it will be electrified in the next few years. SBB itself doesn't own any mainline diesel locomotive and any DMU, just some heavy shunters. Also because of cheap hydropower electrification in Switzerland started very soon, with nearly all railways switching directly from steam to electricity. There have been a few lines which used diesel traction for a while, including DMUs for passengers, but not too many and not for a long time.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 03:59 PM   #942
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 05:02 PM   #943
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And more from NZZ online (http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/zuerich/st...ld-1.17738027#)















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Old November 6th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #944
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The CEVA in Geneva is starting to produce some nice pictures



Départ du Tunnel de Champel à l'avenue Théodore Weber, dans le quartier de Villereuse

Works in and around Eaux-Vives





The old station of Eaux-Vives, now scrapped of its railway lines and closed
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Old November 6th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #945
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I had the chance to visit the new through line station in Zürich today. Very impressive construction site, here some pics:




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Old November 7th, 2012, 03:54 AM   #946
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Great to see how much money and effort is going into Swiss railways.

Where I live (NZ), the opposite is happening: several lines have been mothballed and will likely never open again.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #947
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The Zentralbahn surface section through Luzern/Lucerne has been replaced by a tunnel. This will increase capacity (from one to two tracks, of which one dual gauge), eliminate the level crossings and add a new station under the Allmend (a sort of sport/fair/public complex). The last train on the old line ran during the night of 8/9 November (the last scheduled service was followed by a steam train), while the first train on the new line will run tomorrow morning. This because on Luzern's side there is a switch that allows trains to go either the old or new line, while on the opposite side of the tunnel there is a small embankment to be demolished and reconstructed, then some time is needed for testing.

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Luzern...cerna&t=h&z=19

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Old November 12th, 2012, 07:45 AM   #948
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hmmm, do Swiss trains 'drive' on the left side track, unlike Swiss cars on the roads?
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #949
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Yes, like in many European countries: http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...map_europe.php (third map)

Note that in some countries trains run on the left or on the right depending of the line.
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And they do that (at least the swiss) because they hired english engineers to construct the first lines, who designed them to be just like home, driving in the left.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #951
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And they do that (at least the swiss) because they hired english engineers to construct the first lines, who designed them to be just like home, driving in the left.
Same in Austria. We are gradually getting rid of the remaining left hand driving sections though. This August 80 railways stations around Vienna switched from the left to the right.

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Old November 14th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #952
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Note that in some countries trains run on the left or on the right depending of the line.
An interesting oddity here is the RBS line from Bern to Solothurn.
The line is double tracked from Bern to Zollikofen, where trains run on the right. There is a short single track secton, and then again double track to Jegenstorf, where trains run on the left. From there to Solothurn it's single track again, with passing loops. Trains usually take the left track at passing loops, except where operations require otherwise...

That trains run on the right south of Zollikofen is probably a remnant of the time that the RBS entered Bern on the Tram network.

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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:40 AM   #953
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Tramways in a tunnel in Zürich run on the left, because that tunnel was initially planent to be used for a metro line, and had island platforms (while trams have doors only on the right side).

Trains on the fast tracks between Zürich and Killwangen-Spreitenbach run on the right, so when they reverse in Zürich HB to go to Winterthur and eastern Switzerland they are again on the left.
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And they do that (at least the swiss) because they hired english engineers to construct the first lines, who designed them to be just like home, driving in the left.
Is that the whole truth, now? Here in France there's also left-hand drive, but the first railway engineers were not as far as I know British. I was told that the reason is that the first generation rolling stock was imported from Britain. As the engine cars were constructed to give an optimal view on on the right side of the train in was chosen to let the French trains too drive to the left.

Conversely, the Paris (and other) metros drive to the right. They were constructed at a time when France had her own train producers.
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Here in the Netherlands, right hand operation is considered normal. There is one exception: trains run on the left on the southern part of the HSL-Zuid (the first and only high speed line) connecting Rotterdam and Antwerp. The reason for this is that this makes connecting to the conventional tracks Antwerp easier, as trains run on the left in Belgium.
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The Gotthard railway has been closed again for at least a few days because of a landslide. It is the third time that the mountain collapses there this year. In June the railway remained closed for a month during which the retaining wall in the photo and others structures above were built. This part of the line will be bypassed (but I hope and think not replaced) by the new base tunnel.



Source of the photo: http://www.tio.ch/News/707509/Massi-...l-San-Gottardo
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The Gotthard railway has been closed again for at least a few days because of a landslide. It is the third time that the mountain collapses there this year. In June the railway remained closed for a month during which the retaining wall in the photo and others structures above were built. This part of the line will be bypassed (but I hope and think not replaced) by the new base tunnel.



Source of the photo: http://www.tio.ch/News/707509/Massi-...l-San-Gottardo
Has that land slide taken out a part of a newly-built retaining wall?
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Apparently yes, seeing that photo. But as the landslide happened Wednesday afternoon there hasn't been enough light and time to see where were the damages and dangerous rocks. Railway and federal technicians had to wait this morning to explore the site.



Other photos: http://www.cdt.ch/confederazione/cro...al-lavoro.html
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Gotthardbahn between Faido and Airolo, 13 November 2012:

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Then a short section of line which will be removed before the opening of the base tunnel. To allow a connection between the new and the old Gotthard railways the old line will be moved around 100 m westward on about 2 km. It's nothing particularly scenic, I made this video only to have a souvenir in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W00qZFMnQ5g

Meanwhile, it has been said that the line may reopen the night between Sunday and Monday (initially only for freight trains, then also to passengers).
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Old November 25th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #960
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The Zentralbahn surface section through Luzern/Lucerne has been replaced by a tunnel
From Luzernerzeitung channel on YT:

Fahrt durch den neuen Allmend-Tunnel zwischen Luzern und Kriens Mattenhof
Drive through new Allmend Tunnel between Lucerne and Kriens Mattenhof

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