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Old May 11th, 2009, 07:50 PM   #81
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Unless someone shows me how a steam train can be more efficient than a diesel train, I can only categorize this as "steam enthusiasts dreaming"
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Old May 11th, 2009, 08:01 PM   #82
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The best thing about it is that both steam and diesel both are absolutely no competition for the Swiss water powered electric trains when it comes to efficiency.

It's indeed a dream of a steam enthusiast, but I guess they fail to realize that a steam train with modern suburban coaches just hasn't got the same attraction to the tourist as a steam train with old coaches.
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Old May 12th, 2009, 12:13 PM   #83
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The S9 is not a suburban line. There were and are plans to close the line to regular traffic and to use it only during works on the new line.

This project isn't for a suburban service with steam traction, but it's for steam trains being both a tourist attraction and a local eman of transport.

The line is actually served by 2-car EMUs with a train every hour per direction.
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Old May 14th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #84
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>> The S9 is not a suburban line.
Well I do not understand why it should not be a suburban line. In my opinion it is still one serving the region of Basel.

>> The line is actually served by 2-car EMUs with a train every hour per direction.


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For Swiss standards, that's rather a regional line than a suburban one (which typically has more passengers and a higher frequency). The "S" in the line doesn't automatically mean that its a high capacity suburban line.
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For Swiss standards I agree, for international standards I disagree.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 11:34 AM   #87
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SWITZERLAND | Railways

I can't believe there wasn't a thread about Europe's best railway system in the beautiful country that is Switzerland.

Network stats:
  • Network size: 5,035 km
  • Standard gauge: 3,652 km
  • Narrow gauge: 1,383 km
  • Not Electrified: 41 km

There are many railway companies that operate on the Swiss railway lines.

SBB-CFF-FFS - Schweizerische Bundesbahnen - Swiss Federal Railways



The national railway company, the biggest railway company with a network all over the country.

BLS Lötschbergbahn



The biggest 'private' railway company, although the biggest share holders are the government of the canton of Bern and the national Confederation. It owns 170 km of railway lines, the main route is the Lötschbergbahn the Alpine route trough the old and new Lötschbergtunnels. But the operations are limited to regional trains and freight trains, all intercity trains over the BLS network are operated by the SBB.

RhB Rhätische Bahn



The biggest narrow gauge railway, it operates a 384 km 1,000 mm gauge network in the canton of Graubünden. It's internationally famous because of the impressive routes with many tunnels ans viaducts trough the Rhaetian alps. The Albula line and the Bernina line have recently been added to the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

There are many more railway companies in Switserland:

English list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...of_Switzerland

Full list:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategor..._%28Schweiz%29
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Reload this Page The Gotthard Base Tunnel - World´s Longest Rail Tunnel (57km) thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=277570

Some other recent post concerning Swiss Railways:
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I couldnt find an SBB thread, so here it goes:

how much do you adore this loco? how much do you love SBB / the swiss for this?




just so you know, they are replacing this loco series, which was built in 1932
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Not really a fright EMU, but at least fright trains with cab cars are around. Look at this one:

This one is carrying beer and mail.


This one is carrying building material for the diameter line in Zurich.
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Some Swiss train:

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The Swiss railways had some huge locomotive for the mountain routes.

Ae 8/14 double locomotives

loc: 11801
build year: 1931
length: 34,000 mm
speed: 100 km/h
power 5,514 kW

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loc: 11852
build year: 1938
length: 34,010 mm
speed: 110 km/h
power 8,162 kW

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by: peters452002

BLS Ae 8/8

build year: 1959-1966
length: 30,230 mm
speed: 125 km/h
power 6,475 kW

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This locomotive isn't really super giant, but it's beautiful, and at 120,000 kg it's pretty big for swiss railways... there is also an 80,000 kg version (which are more common) for passenger trains.

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I don't care if it's pointless.

"Die Kleine Rote"

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Especially the 1st picture (Ge 4/4 I), that's one of the best looking loco in the world.

Oh and eh... coaches with domed roofs rule OK!
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More Swiss trains

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BLS oldschool look

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BLS newschool look

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Old August 16th, 2009, 11:51 AM   #90
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Strategic wins help in difficult times

05 August 2009

STADLER: Two strategically important rolling stock contracts were won during 2008, when Swiss-based Stadler Rail Group recorded consolidated turnover of SFr1·07bn. Though turnover was down from SFr1·24bn the previous year, the ‘development of the order book was particularly pleasing’ last year, with its highest-ever total order value of SFr2·6bn ensuring a ‘solid basic utilisation of capacity’ through 2010.

Winning the SFr1·02bn contract to supply Swiss Federal Railways with 50 six-car EMUs for Zürich S-Bahn services was ‘strategically decisive’, with Stadler’s first double-deck trains to be used as the basis for its bid to supply inter-city double deck EMUs to SBB (RG 9.08 p543). Stadler entered the long-distance EMU market with an August 2008 order worth SFr640m to supply Norway’s NSB with 50 Flirts suitable for 200 km/h (RG 9.08 p551).

Formerly a niche manufacturer, Stadler is now expanding its production facilities to handle such large orders. ‘We believe in our competitiveness, which is why we are prepared to invest more than SFr90m, even in these difficult economic times’, said Peter Spuhler, Chief Executive and majority shareholder of Stadler Rail Group. ‘However, these investments will only pay back if we continue with our good performance and keep on winning further orders in the medium term’.
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Shunting locomotive upgrade underway
06 August 2009

SWITZERLAND: SBB's Biel workshop rolled out the first of 23 SBB Cargo Tm IV light shunting locomotives which are being rebuilt as type Tm 232 on August 4.

A prototype rebuild was completed in 2007 before the start of the modernization program, which aims to extend the life of the diesel locomotives by a further 20 years.

Work on the initial 23 locomotives will be finished by mid-2010, and rebuilding of the rest of the 70-strong fleet could follow.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s.../browse/5.html

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SBB Locomotives

Re 4/4 II (Re 420)

2nd series:

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1st series (in Swiss-Express look):

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Universal locomotive, used on types of trains: local, IC/IR & freight.

Build date: 1964, 1967-1985
Production: 276
Max Speed: 140 km/h
Power: 4700 kW

SBB Cargo Re 421, adapted for use in Germany.

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SBB Re 4/4 III

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Cargo version of the Re 4/4 II with lower max speed but higher traction.

Build date: 1971
Production: 21
Max Speed: 125 km/h
Power: 4700 kW
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Re 450

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Locomotives for the fixed double deck sets for the S-bahn (suburban network) around Zürich.

Build date: 1989–1997
Production: 115
Max Speed: 130 km/h
Power: 3200 kW

Driving trailer:

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Lok 2000, the new generation of Swiss locomotives. Built as an universal locomotive for fast intercity trains and heavy freight trains. But now they only run fast passenger trains, usually in push-pull operation with EW IV single deck or IC2000 double-deck cars.

Build date: 1991–1996
Production: 119
Max Speed: 230 km/h
Power: 6,100 kW

Many of these locomotives got full body advertising schemes.

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Einheitswagen IV (EW IV)

Build date: 1981–1992
max speed: 200 km/h


Photo by Massimo Rinaldi on railfaneurope.net

Control car type IC:

Build date:1996–2004
max speed: 200 km/h

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IC2000 double-deck train

Build date:from 1997
max speed: 200 km/h

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Double-deck restaurant car.

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Re 6/6 (Re 620)

prototype (with double body):

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main series:

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SBB Cargo Re 620

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Last generation of the big Gotthard mountain railroad locomotives. It has 6 axles in a Bo Bo Bo configuration.

Build date: 1972, 1975–1980
Production: 89
Max Speed: 140 km/h
Power: 7,800 kW

The locomotive often is coupled with a Re 4/4 II as a Re 10/10 combination on a heavy freight trains on the Gotthard line.

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Ae 6/6 (Ae 610)

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SBB Cargo Ae 610

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The predecessor of the Re 6/6 for the heavy freight trains on the Gotthard. But because of their co co axle configuration they were not really suited for the bendy mountain line. After the Re 6/6 took over they have been used for freight trains in the rest of Switzerland. Although they are already more then 50 years old they should stay in service until the opening of the Gotthard Base tunnel in 2016. But Recently many of them have been stored because of falling traffic due to the economic crisis.

Build date: 1952, 1955–1966
Production: 120
Max Speed: 125 km/h
Power: 4300 kW
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SBB Cargo Re 482

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Bombardier Traxx locomotive for freight trains into Germany and Austria.

Build date: 2001-2006
Production: 50
Max Speed: 140 km/h
Power: 5.600 kW

SBB Cargo Re 484 (E 484 SR)

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Bombardier Traxx 2 MS locomotives for freight trains into Italy.

Build date: 2004-2006
Production: 21
Max Speed: 140 km/h
Power: 5.600 kW

Some of these locomotives have been hired to Cisalpino to run replacement services between Switzerland because of problems with the old and the late deliverance of the new Pendolino trains.

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SBB Cargo Re 474 (E 474 SR)

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Siemens ES64F4 locomotives, they were also ordered to be used on freight trains into Italy, even before the Re 484 order. But because of problems with the approval in Italy they came later then the 484 and only 12 of the original 18 ordered have been delivered.

Build date: from 2005
Production: 12
Max Speed: 140 km/h
Power: 6.400 kW
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Interesting pics and informations.
Funnily, I was in Swizerland till yesterday for a short holiday and I sow several of these trains
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SBB Diesel locomotives.

Even though the Swiss railways are almost completely electrified the SBB still uses some diesel locomotives for shunting and light freight trains.

Am 841

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Built by: GEC/Alsthom
Build date: 1996-1997
Production: 40
Max Speed: 100 km/h
Power: 920 kW

Am 842

Am 842.0

Photo by: Eddy Konijnendijk @ railfaneurope.net

Am 842.1

Photo by: Reinhard Reiss, www.reissweb.net

The first series of this loco is a type MaK 1205 built for track builder SERSA, but they have been bought by the SBB for track maintenance work. The 2nd series was build by Vossloh, the new owner of MaK. SBB Cargo got a couple of these loco's via leasing companies to be used on freight services on German lines from the borderstation Schaffhausen. Later new locomotives were leased for used in Italy.

Built by: MaK & Vossloh
Build date: 1994 & 2007
Max Speed: 80 & 100 km/h
Power: 1120 & 1100 kW

Am 843

Cargo look

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Infra look

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The first big order for mainline diesel locomotives by SBB, they are used for light freight trains but also for shunting. SBB chose for diesel locomotives to be used freight trains that had to use small diesel shunting locos at industrial lines. The infrastructure division uses the locomotives for maintenance trains and Fire and Rescue trains. The passenger division also uses the loco on heavy shunting duties in Basel and Chiasso stations.

Built by: Vossloh
Build date: 2003-2007
Production: 73
Max Speed: 100 km/h
Power: 1500 kW


SBB Italy Am 840
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The SBB leases these locos for use freight trains in Italy. They are the Vossloh G 2000 BB type, that people either love or hate when it comes to the design.

Built by: Vossloh
Build date: 2003
Production: 6
Max Speed: 120 km/h
Power: 2240 kW
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SBB EMUs

RABDe 500 ICN

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Switzerland own pendolino train using a combination of Swiss and Italian design and technique. They are used on Intercity and Interregio trains on the main East - West axises and since recently also on the Gotthard line.

Built by: Adtranz/FIAT-Sig & Bombardier/Alstom (= the same companies after take overs)
Build date: 1999–2005
Production: 44
Max Speed: 200 km/h
Number of cars: 7
Capacity: 477 seats

RABe 520 GTW

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These trains were built for the Seetalbahn in the hart of Switzerland between Lenzburg and Luzern. Since part of that line is built directly next to the road without any barriers the trains that are used are smaller or have extensive warning stripes on the front. They are also used on some other regional lines in the same region.

Built by: Stadler Rail
Build date: 2002
Production: 17
Max Speed: 115 km/h
Number of cars: 3
Capacity: 139 seats

RABe 521, 522, 523 & 524 Flirt

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Tilo RABe 524


Photo by: Reinhard Reiss, www.reissweb.net

The SBB put out an order for new regional EMUs that was won by Stadler Rail. It wasn't 1 set order but a split up one depending on what services the trains would be used. The first 10 trains were for the S-bahn around the city of Zug. The second batch was for the international S-Bahn around Basel, these sets can also run in Germany and some of them were also to be used in France. But they never got approval to be used in France, so the SBB decided to put out a new order of Flirts that are slightly different and should get approval to be used in France. The joined operation of regional trains in the border area of Switzerland and Italy under the name Tilo also uses SBB Flirts.

Built by: Stadler Rail
Build date: from 2004
Production: 92+
Max Speed: 160 km/h
Number of cars: 4
Capacity: 158/161 seats
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