SWITZERLAND | Railways

[garegnanoman]

Last weekend:
100 years for the Bernina line, the most spectacular and famous narrow-gauge line of the Alps
100 Jahre Berninalinie die Rhätische Bahn
100 anni per la linea del Bernina, la più bella della Ferrovia Retica
http://www.rhb.ch/Programm-Tirano.1303.0.html

[earthJoker]

Originally Posted by viscAbarcelona

Is the canton of Zürich more pro-active in this sense?

The canton of Zürich is indeed the driving force behind the S-Bahn. It is also the main funder of the S-Bahn.

[Gag Halfrunt]

I once saw a photo taken inside an old BLS carriage in North Korea, with BLS signs still visible (etched on glass partitions or something, I can't remember).

[nachalnik]

Originally Posted by Gag Halfrunt

I once saw a photo taken inside an old BLS carriage in North Korea, with BLS signs still visible (etched on glass partitions or something, I can't remember).

The pics are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/genki_c...7600314232037/

[earthJoker]

Bombardier Wins SF1.9 Billion Train Order, Outbidding Siemens
May 12 (Bloomberg) -- SBB, Switzerland’s federal railways company, chose an offer from Bombardier Inc. for a 1.9 billion Swiss franc ($1.71 billion) train order.

Bombardier’s offer for 59 trains was chosen over a competing one by Siemens AG, and the investment value includes some work carried out by SBB, the railways said at a press conference in Bern today.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...g-siemens.html

Renders:

[gramercy]

what are the parameters of that train?

[earthJoker]

Well it will run at 200km/h and has about the same seats per coach as the IC2000. It will run on higher speeds in turns.
I don't have the excact data but more renders:

[gramercy]

thx, looks real nice

so this will be a tilting train?
15kv only?

[Gag Halfrunt]

Originally Posted by nachalnik

The pics are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/genki_c...7600314232037/

Thanks.

[steple]

ARB (Arth-Rigi-Bahn, blue) + VRB (Vitznau-Rigi-Bahn, red) = RB (Rigi Bahnen)

[thun]

Originally Posted by gramercy

thx, looks real nice

so this will be a tilting train?
15kv only?

Well, they're not going to change the whole electric system for some new train, would they?

[viscAbarcelona]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

http://etat.geneve.ch/dt/mobilite/ac...ion-10089.html

http://etat.geneve.ch/dt/SilverpeasW...chment/Images/

Thanks again for your great answer :-)

BTW, do you know how are they planning to run the trains that get into France? I mean, will they be jointly operated by CFF and SNCF (or any other entity) and share the proceeds? and would it be legal for a ticket collector to fine a french citizen once the train has left Swiss territory?

[Gag Halfrunt]

Originally Posted by nachalnik

The pics are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/genki_c...7600314232037/

Thanks.

[gramercy]

Originally Posted by thun

Well, they're not going to change the whole electric system for some new train, would they?

no, but they could try to run them in italy or france?!

[Coccodrillo]

Originally Posted by viscAbarcelona

Thanks again for your great answer :-)

BTW, do you know how are they planning to run the trains that get into France? I mean, will they be jointly operated by CFF and SNCF (or any other entity) and share the proceeds? and would it be legal for a ticket collector to fine a french citizen once the train has left Swiss territory?

There will probably be a common entreprise ("Transferis"?) between SNCF and SBB.

Originally Posted by gramercy

no, but they could try to run them in italy or france?!

In Italy probably no because swiss loading gauge is a little bigger (italian double decker trains are lower than swiss ones).

[Momo1435]

Originally Posted by gramercy

so this will be a tilting train?

Not in the traditional way the current tilting trains work.

These trains will only have a 1° tilt in comparison to the 8° of normal tilting trains. And it does that with new innovative bogies that allow the train to tilt without having to have an active space consuming tilting system in the train body above the bogies. You might think that 1° tilt is not that much but it results in a 8,5% time reduction on the Bern Lausanne route compared to a conventional train. A tilting train can make a 13% time reduction, but without the 60% higher passenger capacity of the new double stock trains.

Other features of the bogies are that the axles turn inside the bogies to adapt the radius of the curves on the line. Reducing energy use, noise polution & maintenance costs.

As for international use of these trains, only Germany and Austria are in the picture but I believe only as an option to make that possible in a later stage.

[gramercy]

thx

so why did siemens and stadler lose?
i think they build better trains than bombardier...

[K_]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

There will probably be a common entreprise ("Transferis"?) between SNCF and SBB.

Or SBB just grabs the TER concession for part or the whole Rhone-Alps region once that comes up for tender...

[K_]

Originally Posted by Momo1435

These trains will only have a 1° tilt in comparison to the 8° of normal tilting trains. And it does that with new innovative bogies that allow the train to tilt without having to have an active space consuming tilting system in the train body above the bogies. You might think that 1° tilt is not that much but it results in a 8,5% time reduction on the Bern Lausanne route compared to a conventional train. A tilting train can make a 13% time reduction, but without the 60% higher passenger capacity of the new double stock trains.

It's actually "tilt compensation" what the trains get. Normally when a train goes through a curve it tilts outwards somewhat. With a doubledeck train there exists the risk that this gets the train out of profile. To avoid that curve speed is limited.
The tilt compensators that will be installed are intented to keep the train perfectly upright (relative to the track) in curves at higher curve speeds.

As for international use of these trains, only Germany and Austria are in the picture but I believe only as an option to make that possible in a later stage.

Routes where they could be used are Zürich - Stuttgart and Zürich - München (once that is electrified).
SBB has an option for a further 100 of these sets.

[Coccodrillo]

For Zürich - Stuttgart and Zürich - München more tilting trains will be ordered soon, probably a variant of the ETR 610.