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Old December 17th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #1041
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Old December 17th, 2012, 10:55 PM   #1042
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I suppose that firefly is proposing to skip Basel SBB going directly from Basel Bad to Zürich or whatever. It might be nice from a theoretical point of view, however the Hauenstein line (Basel-Olten) is nearing capacity at 400 trains per day so international trains have to use an existing slot, replacing an IC.
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I think this will need some rather expensive solution in the next 20 years anyway. Swiss population is still growing rapidly, so it's just logical that more infrastructure will need to be built.
There is a plan for a new line between Liestal and Olten, including the at least 10 km long Wisenbergtunnel.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 10:44 PM   #1043
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Thought of sharing some pictures with you (they're not mine, links provided)

An ETR 610 (prob. going to/coming from Italy) on the shores of Lake Geneva passing by the village of St-Saphorin

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One of the brand new RABe 510 used for regional services passing by Lavaux vineyards on Grandvaux, close to Lausanne

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The Pilatus showing why are there so many trains climbing high in Switzerland

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And this is a very special picture: One of the steam-powered set of locomotives used for Pilatus rack and pinion railway before it got electrified

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Past engineering skills never cease to surprise me, notice the weird suspension or the lack of a proper water deposit. Two of those locomotives have survived, one is displayed in Lucern
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:06 AM   #1044
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Travelling in the past was probably extremely dangerous in mountain areas and likely hundreds of people were killed in train and cable car accidents. It is welcoming to have modern rolling stock available for the more stringent demands of modern mountain railkway engineering.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:25 AM   #1045
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 06:15 AM   #1046
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On which train line does the latter train operate? Is it a touristic line?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:08 AM   #1047
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Is it that hard to use Google.

The picture is shot in Zermatt, that should say enough.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 10:41 AM   #1048
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Glacier Express, .nuff said.

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Old December 23rd, 2012, 11:02 AM   #1049
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On which train line does the latter train operate? Is it a touristic line?
Touristic?

Zermatt has nearly 6000 year-round native citizens. Whether it is a village, a town, a city or a borough, it is not a suburb of any other city - the nearest bigger settlement (just 7200 citizens) is Visp 35 km away.

And Zermatt is completely unreachable by cars! No road gets closer than Täsch - and reaching Zermatt from Täsch is a distance of 6 km, and 170 m uphill (net rise, without counting ups and downs).

Is the railway the only connection to Täsch, or are any paths out of Zermatt kept passable for bicycles or skis?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 11:29 AM   #1050
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There's a normal road to Zermatt.

Tourist that come by car or bus are just not allowed to drive their vehicle beyond Täsch. Locals with a permit can drive their cars to the edge of town itself, as can rescue vehicles and the occasional truck. But the town center is completely of limit for cars.

In town you only see small electric vehicles that are used as taxis or delivery trucks.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 05:05 PM   #1051
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Touristic?

Zermatt has nearly 6000 year-round native citizens. Whether it is a village, a town, a city or a borough, it is not a suburb of any other city - the nearest bigger settlement (just 7200 citizens) is Visp 35 km away.

And Zermatt is completely unreachable by cars! No road gets closer than Täsch - and reaching Zermatt from Täsch is a distance of 6 km, and 170 m uphill (net rise, without counting ups and downs).

Is the railway the only connection to Täsch, or are any paths out of Zermatt kept passable for bicycles or skis?
Stop spreading bull shit. There is a private road that lead straight to zermatt for emergency services, etc. but since zermatt have a ban on vehicles (except emergency services, construction, etc..) you have to park you car in Tasch.

Same as villages like Murren. NO cars allowed but there is a private road to it.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #1052
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Glacier Express, .nuff said.
That's not the Glacier Express in the picture above, it's the regional train from Zermatt to Visp. It is still mostly used by tourists.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #1053
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There was a big accident on Thursday.

A LION composition with the Re 420 and double stock cars collided with a GTW from Thurbo.

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17 injured in Schaffhausen train crash

Seventeen people are said to be injured and nine are in hospital after two trains collided in the canton of Schaffhausen.

It happened during rush-hour this morning at the station in Neuhausen-am-Rheinfall.

Witnesses say a locomotive derailed and hit an oncoming train.

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Old January 11th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #1054
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Any preliminary info on circumstances of accident, such as whether and which train violated its signal? Apparently the accident happened near a switch point.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 11:19 AM   #1055
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The cause of the accident is still being investigated.

But there is a big chance that one of the train drivers violated a signal. This line is equipped with the traditional Swiss Integra-Signum train protection system, it's also unclear if it could actually have prevented an accident like this.

The situation here is that the line from Schaffhausen to Neuhausen is 2km long double track, after the station it splits into a single track line to Winterthur and the single track main line to Zürich. The Thurbo GTW was on it's way from Winterthur to Schaffhausen, the loco hauled S-Bahn train was traveling in the other direction.

It's common here that the trains to and from Winterthur also use the same track between Schaffhausen and Neuhausen. This means that the Thurbo GTW would drive on the right between the 2 stations where the normal driving side on the Swiss railways is left. The same goes for the trains to and from Zürich on the opposite track. So basically the line is used as a double single track.

The Thurbo GTW had just departed from Neuhausen, the S-Bahn was about to arrive at the station. It looks like the driver of the Thurbo train ignored a red signal or didn't wait for a departure signal at the station and departed before straight into the path of the upcoming train that would have used the switches that are seen to enter the station on the opposite track.


Here's a youtube video capture of the situation taken from the back of an IC from Schaffhausen to Zürich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv3QjAE8jp0

You can see the end of the platform of Neuhausen station, the signals for the switch and the switch itself in the background. It's a bit zoomed in, the actual distance between the platform edge and the switch is about 120m, the signal stands half way. But distance between the center of the platform where Thurbo would have halted is between 300m and 340m.




The Integra-Signum only stops the train after it passes a red sign, since the sign is located close to the switch there might not have enough room to stop the train in time. The main questions now are why the train departed and if the current safety system would have been able to stop the train on time.

We have to wait for the official results of the inquiry into this accident, to make any further conclusions. But it already shows that a safety system that can make a train stop before a red signal, like ERTMS should be the future on any busy track in Europe.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 02:10 PM   #1056
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Before New Year's Eve, I found on YouTube these clips about Swiss rail with perfect song "Welcome Home":

Short version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bdpGkq2pZk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ARrex2umM0

As I understood from one post, there was a talent contest. The winners of this casting were office worker (looks (for me) like Bridget Jones) and train driver.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 02:14 PM   #1057
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It's common here that the trains to and from Winterthur also use the same track between Schaffhausen and Neuhausen. This means that the Thurbo GTW would drive on the right between the 2 stations where the normal driving side on the Swiss railways is left. The same goes for the trains to and from Zürich on the opposite track. So basically the line is used as a double single track.
However the S11 trains normally would run on the right hand track in the direction of Zürich. On this particular day it didn't...
You can see this in the graphical timetable:
http://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/fileadm...ic_tt/G731.pdf

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We have to wait for the official results of the inquiry into this accident, to make any further conclusions. But it already shows that a safety system that can make a train stop before a red signal, like ERTMS should be the future on any busy track in Europe.
Well, SBB has decided to equip the whole network with ETCS by 2020. So this is happening.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #1058
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The majority of recent accidents in Europe last 20 years were, indeed, in proximity of stations or switch points.

Semi-related question: when will they build a full 2-track railway to Zurich from Schaffhausen?
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Semi-related question: when will they build a full 2-track railway to Zurich from Schaffhausen?
Not in the near future. There are two double track sections between Eglisau and Schaffhausen. These were recently build in order to make it possible to have two IC/IR/RE services per hour.
South of Eglisau the line is already double track. Completely double tracking the line will only happen if the schedule needs it.
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Semi-related question: when will they build a full 2-track railway to Zurich from Schaffhausen?
When it will be needed.

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