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Old January 14th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #1081
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By 2016 a new ropeway will link the BOB and JB railways, in addition to the WAB railway which will not be closed. A new ropeway will replace the Männlichen ropeway but on a slightly different alignment.


http://www.jungfrau.ch/nc/en/tourism...nnlichen-1381/
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Old January 14th, 2013, 03:22 PM   #1082
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Actually, no. If Suburbanist worked for Ansaldo Breda he would know that Ansaldo Breda has dismantled the production line for the V250. They couldn't build another V250 even if someone wanted one...
Why did they dismantle it?
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Old January 14th, 2013, 03:57 PM   #1083
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Negative peer-reviews after some problems in the Netherlands....

And because the Dutch are the only ones stupid enough to buy it!
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Old January 14th, 2013, 04:50 PM   #1084
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This will be their first entry into this market, they will come with an upgrade of the Flirt sets they delivered to Norway that already have a max designed speed of 200 km/h. SER says that Stadler is the favorite to get this order.
Of course I want the order to be given based on objective criteria, nevertheless it would be great if Stadler got this one.
They could offer a train based on the NSB Flirt, which is basically a 3car single ended Flirt coupled permanently to a two car unit, like this: Bo'2'2'Bo'+2'2'Bo'
Along the same lines they could thus for example offer the following configuration: Bo'2'2'Bo'+2'2'2'+Bo'2'2'Bo'.
Would be about the right length, have a power of 6000kW and could be separated in two sections for maintenance. The middle section could be build in two version, with and without Restaurant, just as SBB requested.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 04:57 PM   #1085
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Given most CH trips are short, why does SBB wast a car's space with an on-board restaurant?

I can understand it on the special touristic trips of trains like the Bernina Express, but not elsewhere.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #1086
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Given most CH trips are short, why does SBB wast a car's space with an on-board restaurant?
Because they are in fact quite popular, even on shorter trips. But don't forget that these are trains for the Gotthard. Most people passengers will spend an hour or more on them.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #1087
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In any case SBB decided to keep restaurants on all its InterCitys.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #1088
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I've had so many dinners on my Geneva(or Lausanne) - Zurich trips wouldn't understand CFF removing them since I'm sure they make money out of them, they're even integrating a Starbucks stand in the IC2000 trainsets.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #1089
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A problem of having restaurant cars, beyond the costs of staff, extra weight and energy used, is that it mean lost capacity that is critical on peak times, meaning people might be travelling standing more often when trains are full because the restaurant car is there (instead of additional 80-100 seats)
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Old January 15th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #1090
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But then it's a good way to yield some extra revenues.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #1091
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On Basel/Zürich-Lugano ICNs that run in multiple one of the two restaurant cars is closed (and used by people with a second class ticket that want to use a computer), beside that these cars have three first class 6-seats compartment.

(but these 14-coach EMUs are still too small on peak days, so that they send another 7-car ICN or 9-car ETR right before/after them)
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Old January 15th, 2013, 08:53 AM   #1092
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A problem of having restaurant cars, beyond the costs of staff, extra weight and energy used, is that it mean lost capacity that is critical on peak times, meaning people might be travelling standing more often when trains are full because the restaurant car is there (instead of additional 80-100 seats)
Replacing the restaurant with a 1st class carriage in the new IC200 double deckers would yield an extra 11 seats. So it's not really that much. Anyway. Crowding at peak times is worst on S-Bahn trains, which don't have restaurants. And the SBB's strategy for dealing with crowding is to run more and longer trains, not to pack the passengers tighter. Bern - Zürich will see 16 car trains in the near future, and will eventually go to a train every 15 minutes.
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Old January 15th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #1093
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The crocodile (the group of locos sources of my nickname) which was plinted in Erstfeld as a monument, on a track not connected to the network, has been put on real rails again. I don't know why, it cannot certainly function, maybe not even towed.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphot...=421397&nseq=8

Edit: likely here: http://www.industriegeschichten.ch/
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #1094
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Other news...

The liberals, PLR (les Libéraux-Radicaux, or FDP in german), one of the big political parties in Switzerland, have proposed a Swiss-wide "S-Bahn / RER" that would link Geneva to Saint-Gallen. The idea is to have trains every 15min travelling at 160km/h in that important corridor linking most of all the major urban centers in the country (Geneva, Lausanne, Fribourg, Berne, Zurich, SG), since alpine corridors have already soaked plenty of investments.

This is a long-term idea whose result wouldn't be ready before 2040, but such a project also needs long-term planning.

Link: Tribune de Genève (french only)
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #1095
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The graphical description for those not familiar with population distribution in Switzerland; population density and total by municipality:


(the darker the densier, the larger the square the larger the population of the municipality)
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Old January 15th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #1096
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It would be nice if one of this great locos would be restored in working condition for heritage trains...
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:28 AM   #1097
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It would be nice if one of this great locos would be restored in working condition for heritage trains...
Which great loco's are you talking about? When replying to a message it is convenient to quote it, so people know what you are talking about.

Anyway, there are a lot of preserved loco's in Switzerland.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/sw...d_sbb-his.html
http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/sw...d_bls_his.html

And that's even not complete, as this omits rolling stock in private hands...
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:35 AM   #1098
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... The idea is to have trains every 15min travelling at 160km/h in that important corridor linking most of all the major urban centers in the country (Geneva, Lausanne, Fribourg, Berne, Zurich, SG), since alpine corridors have already soaked plenty of investments.

This is a long-term idea whose result wouldn't be ready before 2040, but such a project also needs long-term planning.
Some parts might be realised before that. We'll probably see four tracks on Geneve - Lausanne soon, and a train every 15 minutes between Bern and Zürich is also going to happen before 2040. Current SBB plans already aim for a travel reduction of 30 minutes on Geneve - St. Gallen.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #1099
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The graphical description
good one, highlights it very nicely

but i still think they should have a HSL between zurich and geneva
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Which wouldn't make that much sense as you'd either need too many stops or have too little demand (for direct trains). The Swiss political system where citizens can block such projects quite easily doesn't help either. E.g. you'd definitely need a stop in the Bern canton if you want such ideas to pass a referendum.
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