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Old May 4th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #1181
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But there are still trains from Le Loclé to Besançon. Or you could have gone via Dôle. You didn't need to make it so complicated...
I knew that, but everything in life need not to be that simple. First, I have an adventurous nature. Second, I wanted to see the picturesque Nyon - La Cure route. The third reason: there is something interesting on the French side as well, the Morez viaduct(s).
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Old May 9th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #1182
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The Intercity tilting train ICN (RABDe 500):

In new paint scheme after revision in Moutier station



In the narrow gorge of Moutier in the Jura mountain range



Racing with 160 km/h



With maximum cant of 8 degrees on the Gotthard line



Two ICN meeting at 125 km/h near Kemptthal



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Old May 9th, 2013, 02:25 AM   #1183
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Those are some very good lookign trains, who built them?
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Old May 9th, 2013, 02:34 AM   #1184
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The design was done by Pininfarina, the Italian bureau of Ferrari fame. The construction was carried out jointly by Alstom and Bombardier. If you look closely at the nose, you can see the names of the companies involved.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 10:35 AM   #1185
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1. Serie (500.000 to 023): Adtranz Zürich Oerlikon und Pratteln, FIAT-SIG Neuhausen
2. Serie (500.024 to 043): Bombardier Transportation Zürich Oerlikon und Pratteln, Alstom Neuhausen

There was also a 4-car prototype, RABDe 500.050, built in 1998 and demolished in 2001 because of some structural defects (maybe retaining a some spare pieces to repair the others). It has been used for some promotional trips open tot he general public, but never in normal service (it would have been too small). Note that it was numbered as train 50, not as train 0, a "strange" choice similar to the V250 prototype, which is n. 4806, and not 4800, 4801 or 4899 (similarly to other prototypes).
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Old May 9th, 2013, 12:13 PM   #1186
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Blasting works for the new Rosshäusern tunnel on the BLS line between Bern and Neuchatel has started few days ago. The double track tunnel is 2.1 km long and when finished in 2016 will shorten the journey by four minutes as well as provide extra capapcity and allow double deck trains to run on the line. The speed limit will be 160 km/h (90 km/h in the old tunnel).

http://www.derbund.ch/bern/kanton/Er...story/20222725
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Old May 18th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #1187
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The Re 460, known as the locomotive 2000.
The design is also by Pininfarina, the buidlers were the Swiss Locomotive and Machine works (SLM), Winterthur and Asea Brown Boveri (ABB), Zürich. A total of 119 Re 460 were produced, plus 18 similar locomotives Re 465. The top speed is 200 km/h, designed for 230 km/h. Power output: 6100 kW (8180 hp).

Interregio from Geneva to Brig is passing Chillon castle near Montreux on the shores of Lake Geneva.



Running through Salgesch in the Valais. In the background snow covered mountains some 40 km away.



They are the backbone of SBB's Intercity and Eurocity traction. Most are used in push-pull operation.



Winter railroading on the Gotthard line.



And again, climbing up the mountain. If you look closely, you can see the grade!



A very impressive bridges landscape is found in the Dala gorge between Leuk and Varen in the Valais. A train is crossing the bridge at 160 km/h. The passengers can see daylight for less then 2 seconds between two long tunnels!



The Re 460 016 was unique in her "wave paint scheme". Beautiful view on Lake Geneva and the vineyards near Lausanne.



Meeting of two trains, both running with 140 km/h, between Rupperswil and Lenzburg.



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Old May 18th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #1188
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Those double deck IC coaches have a very imposing look. Standing with a friend at Zurich Hbf he mentioned that there was almost something looming and sinister about them. Very cool
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Old May 18th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #1189
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Beautiful photos!
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Old May 19th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #1190
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Do they have plans to buy new EMUs for the Centovalli railway?
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Old May 19th, 2013, 01:03 AM   #1191
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There don't seem to be any plans for new trains right now.

Both the FART and the SSIF operate ABe 4/6/ABe 4/8 from the early 1990s. The ABe 4/8 are the sets that got an extra car and that are used for the "Centovalli Express" in 2011. The SSIF also operate 3 ABe 8/8 Panorama sets that were delivered in 2007. The older sets are only used as a reserve and for special trains.

So there's no real current need for new trains since the trains are either new or newly renovated.



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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #1192
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Why do International trains take longer?

Is there a reason for which trains on the Milano-Zürich route take 17 minutes longer than domestic IC trains between Lugano and Arth-Goldau, considering both services only have one intermediate stop at Belinzona? I'm considering times between departure from Lugano and arrival at Arth-Goldau.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #1193
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These trains tend to get delayed quite easily, the rolling stock used on these services will be put out of service next year due to reliability problems.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #1194
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Is there a reason for which trains on the Milano-Zürich route take 17 minutes longer than domestic IC trains between Lugano and Arth-Goldau, considering both services only have one intermediate stop at Belinzona? I'm considering times between departure from Lugano and arrival at Arth-Goldau.
They aren't all slower.
If you look up times on line for Lugano - Arth Goldau only a few of the EC services will show up.
Have a look at the printed timetable here:
http://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/fileadm...s/2013/600.pdf
Look at the times for EC12 and ICN 10012. They only run a few minutes apart. However since trains from Italy are often late SBB wants domestic passengers to take the ICN 10012 in stead. For this reason EC12 stops in Lugano and Bellinzona are marked "set down only" and thus this train will not show up in on line searches.
You will however notice that EC12 is not slower than ICN10012.
This shadowing of trains to/from Italy by domestic trains SBB also does on the Lötschberg route.
There are a few EC routes on the Gotthard route that are run using conventional loco hauled stock. These have three digit train numbers in stead of two digit numbers. Eg, EC14 is sometimes replaced with EC114, which takes longer.
The reason is the inability of Trenitalia to have enough ETR470 sets in running order.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #1195
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You can board EC 12 in Lugano, if you want. I do that very rarely when I miss ICN 10012.

The EC 24 is run by an ETR 470 tilting train but has an extended time table like the three-digit ECs to avoid having to guarantee improbable (because of high delay risk) connections or having to pay an hotel night for passengers (it is the last train of the day from Italy). IIRC last year also the EC 22 had an extended timetable for the same reason (while EC 15 and 24 were loco hauled).
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Old May 29th, 2013, 11:06 AM   #1196
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The new timetable for 2014 has been put on line:
http://www.fahrplanentwurf.ch/

From June 15 2014 onwards the new underground platforms in Zürich Hbf will be use by some S-Bahn services, which will have different departure times. There are also big changes on the Gotthard route (again as of June 15th 2014) which aim to increase timetable stability.
That SBB makes significant changes to its timetable mid year is quite exceptional.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #1197
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The Conseil National has approved the CHF6.4 billion to be spent on rail infrastructure. The financing will be done, among other sources, by incrementing the VAT by 0.1% from 2018 to 2030.

The total amount spent on rail projects will be 7.5 billion, though, since the 1.1 billion spent in Lausanne alone will be financed through the money approved for Rail2000 in 1998 but not yet used.

The 6.4 billion will be used among other things for Leman2030 including the extension of Geneva's train station, for which the decision on whether it's best to build it underground or on the surface (by destroying some buildings around) will be made public on the 1st of July, although a referendum in canton Geneva is threatening any decision; the fund will only finance 790 million though, the estimated cost for the surface option, so any other variant, if it turns to be more expensive and people vote for it, will need to be financed solely by Geneva.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #1198
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I have a question: if the Furka base tunnel is closed for whatever reason (maintenance, improvement, renovations), can they route trains through the old route or was the wiring and signaling removed? I've driven a car there, but I don't remember whether I saw normal track infrastructure there or not.
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Old June 6th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #1200
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Good question. I think the old Furka-Tunnel is not fully developped of the todays trains which pass the new Furka-Tunnel like the Glacier-Express. They actually planned to shut down the old Furka-route completely. Only train-enthusiasts build by themselves the old route to an extend which allowed again trains.

http://old.furka-bergstrecke.ch/ger/index.php
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