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Old July 25th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #1241
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So much for Schengen.
I have to say it again. Schengen have nothing to do with customs.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 09:39 AM   #1242
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Only passport control is abolished on Swiss-EU borders, customs still operates. It used to be that everyone had to show his/her passport/ID card when crossing into or out of Switzerland. That is no longer the case.
So does it mean that there are no passport checking between Switzerland and EU? That's great then.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #1243
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Just flew to Cologne and back on Tuesday, no passport controls.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #1244
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I have to say it again. Schengen have nothing to do with customs.
So you're saying the fact that the UK is not part of the Schenden area has nothing to do with the reason why there are customs checks made on Eurostar passengers in London, Paris and Brussels?
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Old July 25th, 2013, 12:44 PM   #1245
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So you're saying the fact that the UK is not part of the Schenden area has nothing to do with the reason why there are customs checks made on Eurostar passengers in London, Paris and Brussels?
There are no customs between EU countries, what you mean are immigration and security checks. A different thing.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #1246
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There are no customs between EU countries, what you mean are immigration and security checks. A different thing.
I see.

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Old July 25th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #1247
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There are no customs between EU countries, what you mean are immigration and security checks. A different thing.
And let's remember Switzerland unfortunately is not part of the EU (yet). While there are many treaties and protocols, Switzerland is not part of the customs union of EU.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #1248
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And let's remember Switzerland unfortunately is not part of the EU (yet).


The EU is currently not really in the shape to say such things

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Old July 26th, 2013, 03:16 AM   #1249
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And let's remember Switzerland unfortunately is not part of the EU (yet). While there are many treaties and protocols, Switzerland is not part of the customs union of EU.
From what I've read and heard, the Swiss are quite happy to not be in the EU.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 03:22 PM   #1250
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From what I've read and heard, the Swiss are quite happy to not be in the EU.
And quite a few citizens of EU countries wish their country wasn't a part either... As it stands the idea of Switzerland joining the EU is dead. No politician who cares about still having someone vote for him in the next election dares suggesting it...
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But it will happen one day, I'm sure.

A bit like the day a human will walk on Mars.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #1252
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It would happen if there was something extra to be gained from it for the Swiss. Right now I can't think of anything at all...
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It would happen if there was something extra to be gained from it for the Swiss. Right now I can't think of anything at all...
Membership will give the Swiss the right to be part of the new, future EU army (led by the British) which will go off and defend (invade) hot countries around the world.
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It would happen if there was something extra to be gained from it for the Swiss. Right now I can't think of anything at all...

From a railway point of view, it would force the creation of separate entities to manage the Swiss rail system, breaking the monopoly as it currently exists on SBB-operated tracks.
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Membership will give the Swiss the right to be part of the new, future EU army (led by the British) which will go off and defend (invade) hot countries around the world.

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Old July 26th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #1256
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From a railway point of view, it would force the creation of separate entities to manage the Swiss rail system, breaking the monopoly as it currently exists on SBB-operated tracks.
Switzerland already has the best train system in Europe. Hardly needs any "help" on that account
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Switzerland already has the best train system in Europe. Hardly needs any "help" on that account
The best?

Average speed on Swiss railways is less than that of Netherlands, UK and lags badly the average speed of scheduled Spanish trains.

The Swiss build neat tunnels, but separating the infrastructure from operation wouldn't interfere with that.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #1258
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The best?

Average speed on Swiss railways is less than that of Netherlands, UK and lags badly the average speed of scheduled Spanish trains.
He said the best, not the fastest.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #1259
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The best?

Average speed on Swiss railways is less than that of Netherlands, UK and lags badly the average speed of scheduled Spanish trains.

The Swiss build neat tunnels, but separating the infrastructure from operation wouldn't interfere with that.
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He said the best, not the fastest.
Exactly! Speed of intercity services is not outstanding but still adequate given how mountainous the country is, but where the network really separates itself from competitors is density of network (very few places one can't reach with rail), density of service (rarely worse than once per hour), punctuality and interconnectivity both with other trains and with post bus system (waiting times more than 15 min are rare and 5 min transfer times could be trusted).

Maybe Japanese system is as good, but I can't comment as I've never been there.
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Membership will give the Swiss the right to be part of the new, future EU army (led by the British) which will go off and defend (invade) hot countries around the world.
Also Switzerland could pay out shitloads of money (like Germany does) to help bail out other EU members like Greece.
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