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Old July 29th, 2013, 03:33 PM   #1301
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What you cite here is a modal split based on kilometrage rather than based on the number of trips as Attus' number was. That is a totally different calculation. One mustn't confuse this.
True. When looking at trips public transport is 13.9% train, but looking at kilometers it's 17.3% train. Train is done for the longer distance. Few people commute from Bern to Zürich by car (and none by bus).
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Old July 29th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #1302
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Few people commute from Bern to Zürich by car (and none by bus).
Does it mean none in the sense of not a single bus ever scheduled between these cities?
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Old July 29th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #1303
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Intercity transport by private buses is not allowed within Switzerland (from/to the country however is), and there is no interest for the state to operate intercity bus lines where there are trains.

The only intercity bus line running via a motorway (actually an autostrasse) is the Bellinzona-Chur, because there is not a direct railway between them.

There are then a few extra "fast" services but with a limited number of trips: Lugano-St Moritz and Lugano-Tirano (connection to the Bernina railway), each a round trip a day during holidays, and Yverdon-Vallorbe (connection tot he TGVs to Paris). There are then a few local bus lines running on motorways for short parts, like one through the Uetliberg tunnel on the A3/A4, or the now closed (replaced by trains) Fribourg-Bulle via the A12.

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Switzerland is a rich country, they can afford to buy cars, even if they are not going to be intensively used as per commuting as they'd be in Italy.
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Zürich is a nice example of "a rich city is one where the rich use public transit, not one where the poor use cars...".
There are around 330 cars per 1000 inhabitants in Basel, compared to around 700 in Rome.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 06:47 PM   #1304
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There are around 330 cars per 1000 inhabitants in Basel, compared to around 700 in Rome.
Is that just Basel-City? If so it would be an unfair comparison.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #1305
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ACCIDENT: Two trains collided between Moudon and Payern. Apparently it was a head-on collision.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 09:55 PM   #1306
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ACCIDENT: Two trains collided between Moudon and Payern. Apparently it was a head-on collision.
Fortunately it happened as one train was leaving the station and the other was entering m so the speed was low. No victims are reported.

Full story: http://www.tdg.ch/suisse/faits-diver...story/29443314
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #1307
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Is that just Basel-City? If so it would be an unfair comparison.
Yes it is not so fair, but it shows that even in small cities it is possible to live without a car, not only in enormous cities like Tokyo or New York.
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Swedish media is reporting that one of the drivers is missing. Has he been accounted for yet?
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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #1309
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Yes it is not so fair, but it shows that even in small cities it is possible to live without a car, not only in enormous cities like Tokyo or New York.
There is an enormous difference between been possible to commute without a car and be possible to live a comfortable mainstream middle-class lifestyle without one.

There is also a difference between a place being reachable by public transportation and a place have convenient and fast access by public transit.

Some small villages (not talking of Bern of course) in Switzerland do have bus service, however that doesn't mean it is convenient to live there without a car.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #1310
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By missing they mean somewhere in that pile of steel?

This looks serious:

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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #1311
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It is possible to reach any place with 500+ inhabitants with a bus, but of course Suburbanist is right that living in a village outside immediate area of one of the big cities without a car is highly inconvenient and very few people do so. Those who prefer to rely on public transportation move closer to the cities where most of the jobs are anyway.
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By missing they mean somewhere in that pile of steel?
I'm assuming that's the case and not 'seen leaving the scene of the accident'.
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Why are there suddenly so many rail accidents after years of none at all? Coincidence I assume, but still weird...
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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #1314
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After every rail accident/plane crash the media seems to discover a lot of them for sometimes. An accident like the one just above probably would have never been reported on a Swedish media, if it happened two months ago before Santiago, Bretigny and Lac Megantic disasters.

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Swedish media is reporting that one of the drivers is missing. Has he been accounted for yet?
Sadly, the fear is that he is dead blocked in one drive cabin.

Both trains are NPZs, the blue one is one of the 6+6 transformed to run in Germany (6 units) or France (the other 6), the white-red is an NPZ upgraded to a Domino.
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After every rail accident/plane crash the media seems to discover a lot of them for sometimes. An accident like the one just above probably would have never been reported on a Swedish media, if it happened two months ago before Santiago, Bretigny and Lac Megantic disasters.
Not sure about that, particularly if there are casualties. Fortunately even moderately serious rail accidents in the developed world are rare enough to be reportable news.
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Both trains are NPZs, the blue one is one of the 6+6 transformed to run in Germany (6 units) or France (the other 6), the white-red is an NPZ upgraded to a Domino.
What is NPZ?

Anyone here familiar with the region and this particular line? I've never been in that area myself...
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After every rail accident/plane crash the media seems to discover a lot of them for sometimes. An accident like the one just above probably would have never been reported on a Swedish media, if it happened two months ago before Santiago, Bretigny and Lac Megantic disasters.



Sadly, the fear is that he is dead blocked in one drive cabin.

Both trains are NPZs, the blue one is one of the 6+6 transformed to run in Germany (6 units) or France (the other 6), the white-red is an NPZ upgraded to a Domino.
I'd say a head-on collision in Europe will draw our media's attention any day of the week. I'm not so sure about all those damn small incidents with the Dreamliner they keep writing up though.

Sad to hear he's still in the wreckage (even though it isn't unexpected). Hope there won't be more.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1318
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What is NPZ?
The model of the train: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB-CFF-FFS_RBDe_560
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An accident like the one just above probably would have never been reported on a Swedish media, if it happened two months ago before Santiago, Bretigny and Lac Megantic disasters.
The very same accident basically happened in Vienna this January. Pretty sure there was no European country where this was not in the media.
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