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Old July 30th, 2013, 04:07 AM   #1321
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The very same accident basically happened in Vienna this January. Pretty sure there was no European country where this was not in the media.
USA media defiantly will jump all over this because they want to show how bad rail travel in Europe is even though Europe has shit load more departures than USA ever will. USA media is pathetic so are people who are trusting them.

I'm sure cars alot safer

I have rode SBB many times and i trust them with my safety 100%.

Amtrak has 85,000 daily average riders and SBB... 977,000 passengers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23494203

p.s: They recovered one of train drivers body RIP

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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:55 AM   #1322
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Some small villages (not talking of Bern of course) in Switzerland do have bus service, however that doesn't mean it is convenient to live there without a car.
Most Swiss don't live in a small village in the alps but in the middle lands. I know people living a perfect mid-class live in Rüti ZH without a car.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:11 AM   #1323
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This is the 2nd major head on crash in Switzerland this year, after the Neuhausen crash in January. And comes after a string of smaller accidents the last couple of years. The Schweizer Eisenbahn Reveu already reported about a "string of accidents" (Unfallserie) in it's April issue. There's clearly a safety issue on the Swiss railways right now, there are simply too many incidents and accidents to say it's just coincidental. It's something that needs to be addressed and not just waved away as a media hype because of other accidents. It's not just the safety of the passengers on the line here, but also the good reputation of the Swiss railways.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #1324
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This is the 2nd major head on crash in Switzerland this year, after the Neuhausen crash in January. And comes after a string of smaller accidents the last couple of years. The Schweizer Eisenbahn Reveu already reported about a "string of accidents" (Unfallserie) in it's April issue. There's clearly a safety issue on the Swiss railways right now, there are simply too many incidents and accidents to say it's just coincidental. It's something that needs to be addressed and not just waved away as a media hype because of other accidents. It's not just the safety of the passengers on the line here, but also the good reputation of the Swiss railways.
It is being addressed. SBB is rolling out ETCS across the whole network. However this will still take some time to implement, and busier lines are of course equipped first.

On thing that both the Neuhausen and this crash have in common is that one of the trains involved is a rush hour only train, one that is not part of the normal interval timetable...
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Old September 14th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #1325
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Another update of the Mendrisio-Varese line. Previous posts:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post104228500
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post105444279

The 2 km of new line on Swiss soil (the other 4 are doubled and electrified, but already existing). The border is around 1 km behind me.

[IMG]http://i44.************/14lh7q0.jpg[/IMG]

Now I'm looking towards the border, here works are less advanced but without the Italian part these 2 km are useless (because they have no station, the remaining 4 km have a station and a limited passenger potential, and also serve some industries, that's why there works are more advanced).

[IMG]http://i42.************/72aqsy.jpg[/IMG]

The border is parallel to these fences, but behind them, as they protect a footpath (which also run on the green bridge) from the work site. It is not known when the Italian will finish their part (works were completely stopped -again- just yesterday).

[IMG]http://i44.************/2rcpz6r.jpg[/IMG]

There are no expensive objects on the Swiss side, just two bridges (this is the same as the one above) and some road underpasses (however a level crossing will remain in place, likely because of low road traffic and limited space).

[IMG]http://i43.************/jl15a9.jpg[/IMG]

The only level crossing remaining in place.

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The Valmorea steam trains run on part of this line, and they were used today to transport visitors. This brown steam loco was not used today, it is just being pushed to the depot, while the electric loco on the right is waiting a diesel shunter with some wagons coming from the industrial sidings mentioned before.

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Old September 17th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #1326
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Is it easy to get a taxi cab ride in Switzerland?

How much would the average taxi fare cost between Geneva Airport and Hotel President Wilson?

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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #1327
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Very easy to get, but also very expensive.
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Old September 17th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #1328
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Is it easy to get a taxi cab ride in Switzerland?

How much would the average taxi fare cost between Geneva Airport and Hotel President Wilson?

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As in every international airport, getting a taxi is something extremely difficult. After you arrive you must first succeed in several tests, including suitcase throw, trolleychase where you've got to jump over rows of trolleys (but don't think it's easy! genevan trolleys are known to be specially tall!) and finally the driver must give his consent to drive you, for that you must prove to be able to hold a friendly conversation with him.

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Old September 18th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #1329
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The electrification of the last significant non-electrified segment of passenger line from Schaffhausen to Erzingen (Germany) has been completed and will be operational from the 3rd of October. At least in recent years only German trains were using this route since I don't think SBB owns any diesel trains anymore. Now there are just few non-electrified freight lines and industrial siding left plus perhaps a kilometre or two of German tracks running from Basel Badischer Bahnhof in the direction of Rheinfelden.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #1330
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It was the last non electrified railway in Switzerland with regular passenger traffic (thus excluding freight and tourist lines).

Diesel traction has never been used in Switzerland, except for shunting and work trains, and on a few branch lines (where some DMUs have been used in the 30s-60s, but not more than a dozen in the whole country).

There are also sometimes French DMUs arriving in Geneva (from Grenoble I suppose).
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #1331
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What was used then before electrification? Straight from steam to electric?

There are certainly plenty of German DMUs (ca 40/day) in their own station in Basel. That line along the river really should have been electrified ages ago...
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #1332
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Yes. Transalpine routes (Gotthard, Lötschberg, Albula-Bernina) have been electrified very soon up to 1920 (or 1922 for sections around Arth Goldau and Lugano); then before 1930 the other main lines followed, and by 1940 most lines either narrow or standard gauge were electrified. There were a few exception though, like Cadenazzo-Luino (1960) or Wil-Konstanz (1965).
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Old September 18th, 2013, 09:43 PM   #1333
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What was used then before electrification? Straight from steam to electric?
Indeed. Straight from steam to electric. The main line network was electrified by the mid twenties. The rest towards the end of the forties.
Some railways were even electric from the start, like the Lötschberg railway, which celebrates its centenary this year.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #1334
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What was used then before electrification? Straight from steam to electric?

There are certainly plenty of German DMUs (ca 40/day) in their own station in Basel. That line along the river really should have been electrified ages ago...
Or sometimes, when low on coal, combined both.
Swiss used hybrid traction before it was cool.
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The tunnels were too long for steam, and diesel technology wasn't yet available, so it makes a lot of sense that electricity was used straight from steam. That turned out to be a very very wise decision since all that power is generated in Switzerland via hydroelectricity and therefore during WW2 trains could keep working and the country has saved billions in imports
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Switzerland tested various curious electrical system because of that.

3-phase AC between Sion and Iselle, Burgdorf and Thun, and some narrow gauge railways
3-phase AC on urban tramways in Lugano
AC with lateral overhead line

A curious system but with standard current is the SZU tunnel in Zürich, electrified at 1200 V DC and 15 kV AC at the same time, with two parallel overhead lines on each track.

Then the tramway network in Geneva has a lower voltage on the overhead lines than on tracks (-600 V vs 0 V).

Another curiosity is that the first section of the Gotthardbahn to be electrified has been the Tunnel itself, but at 7500 V 16 2/3 Hz rather than 15 kV because of some insulation problems due to steam. The Tunnel itself has curiously been opened 6 months before the rest of the line (January 1882, the rest opened in June), so that initially there were just two 0-2-0 tank locos shuttling between Göschenen and Airolo. Biasca-Bellinzona-Locarno and Lugano-Chiasso also opened earlier, in 1874, while Chiasso-Como Albate followed in 1876. So for two years between Milano and Lake Lucerne there were three railway sections completely unconnected one to another
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The tunnels were too long for steam, and diesel technology wasn't yet available, so it makes a lot of sense that electricity was used straight from steam. That turned out to be a very very wise decision since all that power is generated in Switzerland via hydroelectricity and therefore during WW2 trains could keep working and the country has saved billions in imports
The Gotthard tunnel was operated with steam for a while. The Lötschberg was electric from the outset, and it was the success at the Lötschberg, combined with the fuel shortages (Switzerland doesn't have any domestic sources of coal) during WWI that prompted the decision to electrify the whole network. In Switzerland you will sometimes even see overhead wire on industrial sidings inside of buildings... With the advent of bi-mode locomotives however these are now disappearing.
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Or sometimes, when low on coal, combined both.
Swiss used hybrid traction before it was cool.
This is however hugely inefficient. No wonder it never became common.
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This is however hugely inefficient. No wonder it never became common.
Yes, they were used during war-time, when rapid increase of true-electric fleet wasn't possible.
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The very elegant steam locomotive A 3/5 705 from 1904

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