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Old January 6th, 2014, 02:32 AM   #1441
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The former "Train des Vignes" in the vineyards between Vevey and Puidoux-Chexbres near Lausanne, high above the Lake Geneva:









pictures by Georg Trüb, Peter Hürzeler, Brünig/railpictures.net
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Old January 8th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #1442
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Power boost for Zurich-Winterthur corridor
7 JAN, 2014

Alstom has begun building a new substation at the Hürlistein rail junction to support increasing demand on the Zurich-Winterthur line in Switzerland.

The facility, which converts the 132 kV mains power supply to be fed into the overhead catenary system, will ensure that the corridor has adequate traction power in the future to cope with predicted increases in capacity to cope with the growing demand for rail services in the region.

Alstom was awarded a contract in December to supply the GIS switchgear, the cable equipment, AC/DC auxiliary system and the high- and low-voltage installations.

The project, which will cost 17.7 million francs and is expected to be completed by the end of 2015, also includes landscaping and civils works.
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Old January 9th, 2014, 12:31 PM   #1443
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Old January 10th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #1444
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Alp Grüm, January 06, 2014:



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Old January 15th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #1445
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The Switzerland 2014 netgraph, showing at a glance almost all train stations in Switzerland, with their arrival and departure times. Effective from December 2013 to mid-June 2014.

http://www.sma-partner.ch/images/sto...31205_v1.2.pdf
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Old January 15th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #1446
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Here the June 2014-December 2014 edition: http://www.sma-partner.ch/images/sto...31205_v1.2.pdf
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Old January 17th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #1447
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[partially OT]

Some time ago I plaided that VFS's song was in English rather than in Swiss languages, and somebody replied that a trilingual song would have been unnatural. Coop proved it is possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4YrkbvKjnc

The (still nice) VFS's song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ARrex2umM0
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Old January 17th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #1448
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The former "Train des Vignes" in the vineyards between Vevey and Puidoux-Chexbres near Lausanne, high above the Lake Geneva:
What happened to this line?

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I have a second question: what are chances of connecting Thonon-les-Bains (F) with Bouveret (CH)? There appears to be a disused rail ROW over there...
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #1449
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What happened to this line?
As far as I know nothing happened, local S-Bahn still runs there. A train named like that probably doesn't exist any more, though.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #1450
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The "Train des Vignes" used a RABDe 560 set with a special livrery, which has been rebuilt within the Domino project receiving the standard livrery.

The Thonon-St Gingolph (one station after Le Bouveret) is nicknamed "Tonkin railway" (because its builders thought the local geological conditions were similar to those of the Vietnamese line). The line closed to passengers in 1938, to freight in 1988, to tourist trains in 1998. From time to time somebody propose to reopen it but until now nothing happened really (but in 2010 the line has been cleaned from vegetation). The line on the Swiss side is till in use and ends without a station, just a stop: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=St-Gin...alais&t=h&z=19

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_du_Tonkin
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Old January 18th, 2014, 02:29 PM   #1451
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The "Train des Vignes" used a RABDe 560 set with a special livrery, which has been rebuilt within the Domino project receiving the standard livrery.
It's a bit more than just that. Up until 2011 the line was owned mostly by the municipalities of Vevey and Chexbres and the canton of Vaud, and Montreux-Oberland Bernois (Golden Pass) operated the service and they had this livery. However MOB requested to be relieved of the management of the line, and then the CFF purchased the line and has been operating it since then. The idea is that if the line is extended to Palézieux, it could link le Chablais (i.e. Vevey, Montreux, Villeneuve, Aigle, Monthey...) with Bern without changing trains in Lausanne.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #1452
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So, will we see some trains running through the new GBT once if becomes operational? I mean right now no producer can be bothered to produce a small highly specialised tranche of trains just to meet Switzerland's ridiculous demands.

http://www.limmattalerzeitung.ch/sch...nnel-127575073
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Old January 18th, 2014, 03:22 PM   #1453
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doesn't the article say that 4 manufacturers, Alstom, Siemens, Stadler Rail and Talgo, have submitted their offers? The article is in german, so I don't understand it very well
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Old January 18th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #1454
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Basically what is being said is that those four manufacturers were invited to bid for 29 new high speed trains back in 2012, but now after they've spent a considerable amount of money SBB board doesn't like any of the offers. What they would like to do is buy some more ETR 610 from Alstom, but the Federal Board of Transportation is against because they are not low floor and thus inaccessible to disabled persons. They are allowed to run on the Simplon route because there the tilting technology offers time savings which negate accessibility argument. On the new route tilting would not be needed and thus this particular model is not allowed.

The total order amount is 800 million francs so it's unlikely manufacturers will ignore such an opportunity, but it is indeed a bit of a mess at the moment. I'm sure authorities will come up with a solution and there will be adequate trains in 2 1/2 years.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #1455
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So, will we see some trains running through the new GBT once if becomes operational?
Of course there will be trains running through the GBT. What makes you think there won't be?
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Old January 18th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1456
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The 15 ETR 610 belonging to SBB, plus maybe the 7 of Trenitalia, will be able to use the GBT, in addition to many Switzerland-only EMUs and locomotives, and freight trains.

High floor trains can be made disabled-accessible also with on-board lifts, like the PKP Pendolino or the RailJet.

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It's a bit more than just that. Up until 2011 the line was owned mostly by the municipalities of Vevey and Chexbres and the canton of Vaud, and Montreux-Oberland Bernois (Golden Pass) operated the service and they had this livery. However MOB requested to be relieved of the management of the line, and then the CFF purchased the line and has been operating it since then. The idea is that if the line is extended to Palézieux, it could link le Chablais (i.e. Vevey, Montreux, Villeneuve, Aigle, Monthey...) with Bern without changing trains in Lausanne.
The Vevey - Puidoux Chexbres lines was owned by a dedicated company (the VCh), but as far I know it is operated by SBB since many years (at least the trains - I suppose also the infrastructure as it is isolated from the Golden Pass network and has a different gauge).

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemin_...%80%93Chexbres
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The Vevey - Puidoux Chexbres lines was owned by a dedicated company (the VCh)
Yes of course, it's the ownership of that company which in turn owned 100% of the line what I was referring to and which has been sold to CFF.


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but as far I know it is operated by SBB since many years (at least the trains - I suppose also the infrastructure as it is isolated from the Golden Pass network and has a different gauge).
It's possible, I don't remember the exact details since I speak out of memory from the news articles that appeared around 2011 when the company was sold to the CFF which I guess have since liquidated it, but in any case that's why it had a different livery from the CFF.

Correction, here's the official announcement from the CFF:

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Les CFF ont officialisé aujourd’hui l’achat des actions de la compagnie de chemin de fer Vevey-Chexbres SA détenues par les communes de Vevey, Chexbres, Puidoux, Rivaz et St-Saphorin.

La société Compagnie du Vevey-Chexbres SA est propriétaire de la ligne ferroviaire Vevey–Puidoux-Chexbres. Elle est entretenue et exploitée par les CFF. Les deux actionnaires principaux de la société, la Ville de Vevey et le Canton de Vaud, ont souhaité vendre leurs actions aux CFF. Les CFF rachètent également les actions détenues par plusieurs communes de la région ainsi que par des particuliers, portant ainsi à 88,8 pour cent leur participation dans la compagnie.
So yes, you were right.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 09:47 PM   #1458
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What they would like to do is buy some more ETR 610 from Alstom, but the Federal Board of Transportation is against because they are not low floor and thus inaccessible to disabled persons.
It couldn't be possible that Swiss platforms are just unsuitably low, could it.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 12:12 AM   #1459
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Every country has its standard for (new) platform heights, in Switzerland, Italy and France (except Paris?) it's 55 cm, in Germany it's 76 cm, in the UK it is around 1 m. Usually a 55 cm platform with low floor trains is not a big problem (however, it is true that for suburban trafic trains with a flat and high floor are better, like in Germany or in the UK - while on 55 cm platforms trains have the floor of varible height, which slow down movement inside).
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Every country has its standard for (new) platform heights, in Switzerland, Italy and France (except Paris?) it's 55 cm, in Germany it's 76 cm, in the UK it is around 1 m. Usually a 55 cm platform with low floor trains is not a big problem (however, it is true that for suburban trafic trains with a flat and high floor are better, like in Germany or in the UK - while on 55 cm platforms trains have the floor of varible height, which slow down movement inside).
But it still better than 200 mm platforms of many 1520 areas
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