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Old February 9th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #1481
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The Swiss also voted against free movement with EU (Schengen referendum), so maybe it is time for neighboring countries to re-start thinking on border control schemes in stations and international trains.
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Old February 9th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #1482
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This vote is not about border controls, but about limiting immigration, which, being against EU laws, will certainly pose problems with the EU-Switzerland bilateral treaties. Switzerland is not in the EU, but many Swiss feel it as an oppressive entity, a feeling apparently found also in many EU states...it is sad, because the EU is a nice concept...if it worked.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 02:52 AM   #1483
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The Swiss also voted against free movement with EU (Schengen referendum), so maybe it is time for neighboring countries to re-start thinking on border control schemes in stations and international trains.
Can you please refrain from trolling and stick to the right discussion topic in here? neither that referendum nor other countries' rail policies belong in here
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Old February 10th, 2014, 11:02 AM   #1484
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Any explanation on why Kanton Schwyz voted against it?
Probably because the proposal didn't include putting the Gotthard railway underground...
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Old February 10th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #1485
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This vote is not about border controls, but about limiting immigration, which, being against EU laws, will certainly pose problems with the EU-Switzerland bilateral treaties..
The current EU-Switzerland bilateral treaties do actually allow Switzerland to limit immigration. It's because the government choose not to implement these restrictions that the SVP forced this referendum...
So now the government has three years to implement some quota scheme, as existed in the past.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 11:06 AM   #1486
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The Swiss also voted against free movement with EU (Schengen referendum), so maybe it is time for neighboring countries to re-start thinking on border control schemes in stations and international trains.
Schengen is a completely different matter. Anyway, before Switzerland joined Schengen trains moved across the border quite easily as well. The Swiss - EU border has never been a big obstacle to trains services.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 02:05 AM   #1487
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First STEP upgrade phase up to 2025
Significant improvements for passengers and goods traffic

In the first expansion phase, projects totalling CHF 6.4 bn are to be realised. Originally, the Federal Council had envisaged projects totalling CHF 3.5 bn, but parliament increased the volume for this phase of expansion. The additional funds are being raised through a 0.1 percent increase in the VAT rate.

Expansion phase one, costing CHF 6.4 billion, will facilitate the following projects (among others):

- half-hourly services throughout the day on the following routes: Zurich–Lugano, Lugano–Locarno, Berne–Lucerne, Zurich–Chur,
- a half-hourly S-Bahn service between Aarau and Zurich,
- a reduction in travel time between Berne and Lausanne, with the time gained being extended westwards from Lausanne (Morges–Nyon–Geneva),
- laying the foundations for expanding S-Bahn services in and around Berne, Basel and Geneva,
- a quarter-hourly S-Bahn service throughout the day between Basel and Liestal (Pratteln) and between Berne and Münsingen,
- guaranteed freight capacity in the Geneva/Lausanne area and also between Neuchâtel and Biel/Bienne,
- earmarking funding to push forward with plans to eliminate bottlenecks until construction work commences, particularly the Aarau–Zurich, Zurich–Winterthur und Zurich–Zug–Lucerne bottlenecks.

The projects in the CHF 5.4 billion Rail Infrastructure Development (ZEB) programme have already been approved, as have the projects to link eastern and western Switzerland to the European high-speed rail network (HGV-A). These projects will also deliver numerous improvements to customers across Switzerland by 2025.

Map of first STEP upgrade phase up to 2025: https://www.sbb.ch/content/dam/sbb/d...er_FABI_de.pdf

source: https://www.sbb.ch/en/group/the-comp...auschritt.html
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ZEB: Future Development of Railway Infrastructure (Zukünftige Entwicklung Bahninfrastruktur)

ZEB is the Swiss federal government's package of upgrades to the rail network worth CHF 5.4 billion. It encompasses over 100 infrastructure projects. Among other things, these will enable the introduction of 400-metre double-decker trains on the west-east axis, significantly increasing seating capacity, and will complement the New Railway Link through the Alps (NEAT) by securing the necessary capacity on connecting lines. ZEB will thus guarantee more connections, more seats and punctual services for the whole of Switzerland. And it will create more space for the environmentally friendly transport of goods by rail. The aim is to open upgraded sections in stages from 2014 until around 2025. The largest individual projects are the upgrading of the Lausanne railway junction, the construction of grade-separated junctions in Liestal and the double-tracking of the Olten–Aarau line (Eppenberg Tunnel).

Over 100 infrastructure projects across Switzerland will be implemented under the aegis of ZEB. The following projects are key to eliminating the most important bottlenecks:

- Modifying the Lausanne railway junction and double-tracking the Lausanne–Renens line (including flying junction*)
- Double-tracking the Olten–Aarau line (Eppenberg Tunnel)
- Cross-Zurich link and its connecting lines
- Increased efficiency on the Zurich–Winterthur–St. Gallen line
- Double-tracking the Liestal line
- Lines serving the Gotthard and Ceneri Base Tunnels (including double track at Walchwil)
- Construction of a grade-separated junction* in Wylerfeld and Gürbetal and Bern-Thun connecting lines

* Grade-separated junctions are bridges (flying junctions) or rail underpasses (burrowing junctions) at intersections. They allow trains to pass on different levels at the same time without blocking one another's way, thus increasing capacity and improving punctuality.

Based on the current funding situation, SBB is expecting to be able to put the projects into service between 2014 and around 2025.

source: https://www.sbb.ch/en/group/the-comp...rprojekte.html
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- Modifying the Lausanne railway junction and double-tracking the Lausanne–Renens line (including flying junction*)
- Double-tracking the Olten–Aarau line (Eppenberg Tunnel)
- Double-tracking the Liestal line
This is actually an incorrect translation on the SBB website. The original German text talks of "vierspurausbau", which means quadrupling.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #1490
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This is actually an incorrect translation on the SBB website. The original German text talks of "vierspurausbau", which means quadrupling.
It isn't incorrectly translated. The SBB just uses a term which is plain wrong in the cold light of the day. What they actually meant is a "viergleisiger Ausbau". But as the are Swiss they are once again too smug to use the correct German terminology.
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Old February 14th, 2014, 05:39 PM   #1491
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It isn't incorrectly translated. The SBB just uses a term which is plain wrong in the cold light of the day. What they actually meant is a "viergleisiger Ausbau". But as the are Swiss they are once again too smug to use the correct German terminology.
My point is that "doubling" implies that a line is currently single track. None of the lines mentioned are. Lausanne - Renens is for example already three tracks.

And as to what consist of proper German, well, the Swiss speak a different German anyway. There are more examples of the Swiss using different words for certain things than the Germans...
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Old February 14th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #1492
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It isn't incorrectly translated. The SBB just uses a term which is plain wrong in the cold light of the day. What they actually meant is a "viergleisiger Ausbau". But as the are Swiss they are once again too smug to use the correct German terminology.
While it sounds weird to me as well, I don't see how it would be wrong. We also call track gauge "Spurweite". So following that logic we'd have to call it Gleisweite instead.
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Old February 15th, 2014, 12:02 AM   #1493
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The irony of this discussion is that the English railway term quadrupling, which means increasing the number of tracks to 4 is actually incorrect. Quadrupling is mathematically to multiply a number by 4, for railway lines it would then only be correct when the line has only 1 track.

And in this example the SBB translated their own Swiss railway terminology into logical English not using English railway terminology. Making it a bit confusing for both German and English speaking people.
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Old February 15th, 2014, 12:13 PM   #1494
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I've always understood the english terms as referring to a single track (with independence on the actual number of current existing tracks), i.e. quadrupling in the section between Lausanne and Renens is right because there'll be 4 tracks, 1x4, even if nowadays 3 out of those 4 tracks already exist.
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Old February 15th, 2014, 01:01 PM   #1495
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It's all semantics really, the term is easily understandable in both German and English. To me at least it was...
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Airolo, yesterday (15.02.2014).

Some wooden poles were put to sustain the snow over the platform shelter, and the workers that were removing it pulling it on the train on the left.

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Some snow was also stored over a disused track no more connected to the others.

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Intercity train ICN 882 (Lugano 14.12 - Zürich HB 16.51) entering the Gotthard Tunnel.

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A Stadler Flirt entering the Gotthard Tunnel. I don't know why it was there, as this subclass (RABe 523) is not used in Ticino as cannot run under the 3 kV DC used in Italy. They were used in Ticino though, but a few years ago.

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It takes ca 1 h with IC train to go from snowy Airolo to Lugano with all their palm trees and snow being a rare event. Not too many other places where such a contrast could be achieved so quickly...
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It is not so rare to see snow in Lugano (enough to see buses and some cars with snow chains, or to make it impossible to enter his own garage with a car - note also that the highest point of the municipality is at 2116 m, with buildings spacing from 270 to 1000 m), but it melts quickly. A great difference can also be seen between Airolo and Göschenen (sunny on one side and rainy on the other, or viceversa).
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It is not so rare to see snow in Lugano (enough to see buses and some cars with snow chains, or to make it impossible to enter his own garage with a car - note also that the highest point of the municipality is at 2116 m, with buildings spacing from 270 to 1000 m), but it melts quickly. A great difference can also be seen between Airolo and Göschenen (sunny on one side and rainy on the other, or viceversa).
You mean the highest point of Lugano? I meant the lake shore not the top of the Monte Bre when I wrote it

I know there is sometimes snow, but probably not this winter. I haven't seen any in Basel either...
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Yes there was:

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