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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:31 AM   #1561
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There is always the option of building an improved link Locarno-Domodossola-(Brig)
Again, it would be nice, but too expensive: it would be likely an 80 km tunnel for, being optimistic, 5.000 people a day and almost no freight.

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That's true, but is there really nothing that could be done without tunnelling the whole way? Hard to believe that... Also going from 1 h to 0.5 h would be a huge difference.
One project went beyond the simple idea, until something quite detailed but not tot he final stage of details before construction. It was for a new line from Bivio Rosales ("Rosales Junction", where the 7.2 km Monte Olimpino 2 tunnel ends) to Seregno, with a 4 km tunnel along the line and an 8 km tunnel under Seregno. This tunnel would have had a junction under that city, with a branch surfacing towards Milan, and one going east towards Dalmine and the Milan-Venice line. I never found anything about it, except this description.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #1562
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1.5 years for 2km doubling? isn't that a bit too much?
There will be 58 projects under construction between Zug and Arth-Goldau in that period of time. The doubling of the 2km near Walchwil is just one of them (but a quite important one).

Practically the whole line is going to be renewed. It dates from 1897 and was never really improved. In addition, the entire eastern part of Arth-Goldau station will be reconstructed, with greater radii to allow higher speeds. The works will cost about 250 million CHF.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 10:08 AM   #1563
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Some systems work on a 20-minute basis, which is also natural. Copenaghen's S-Tog, for instance.
One of the nice things about "60" is that it is easily dividable on sub intervals.

2x30
3x20
4x15
5x12
6x10


That makes it a good choice when picking a timetable interval. Good engineering practice dictates that if you are going to pick a number at random to base the rest of your design on, that you pick a round number, a convenient number.

If you use 60 as a basis for your long distance network it is still possible to have for example suburban networks in one city work on a 20min interval and in another city on a 15 minute interval, and still have good connections between the suburban and the long distance network in both cities.

So 60 is everything but a random, arbitrary choice. It's a good and logical choice.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #1564
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The Lucerne-Interlaken-Line (Brünig) is slow.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #1565
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The CEVA line opening in Geneva is being delayed by 21 months due to appeals against the project and the need to reinforce the structure of the tunnel of Champel after further geological studies found problems Fortunately the budget will still be respected. More info: TdG
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Old March 28th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #1566
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Had there ever been a plan to build a Zürich-Lötschberg link via Luzern-Interlaken, in a way that made it a fast connection?
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There is always the option of building an improved link Locarno-Domodossola-(Brig)
It seems you have absolutely no feeling for topography. Maybe you should spend some time in a region that is not absolutely flat.
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Old March 28th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #1567
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It seems you have absolutely no feeling for topography. Maybe you should spend some time in a region that is not absolutely flat.
Hey I've lived before near the Alps

It is just that I think these days you can dig tunnels anywhere you need. To connect Domodossola with Locarno on a faster link would require a 15km tunnel. Not something simple, but doable in the medium term.

Ticino is fairly isolated from the rest of Switzerland. In winter, it has one rail link and 2 highway links to other cantons, and that is pretty much about it
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Old March 28th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #1568
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It is just that I think these days you can dig tunnels anywhere you need. To connect Domodossola with Locarno on a faster link would require a 15km tunnel. Not something simple, but doable in the medium term.
I measure 30 km, maybe you can show us your 15 km tunnel on a map.
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Ticino is fairly isolated from the rest of Switzerland. In winter, it has one rail link and 2 highway links to other cantons, and that is pretty much about it
We're already building the Gotthard base tunnel for a better connection to the Ticino, for now that's enough.
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Old March 28th, 2014, 09:51 PM   #1569
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Ticino is fairly isolated from the rest of Switzerland. In winter, it has one rail link and 2 highway links to other cantons, and that is pretty much about it
Well, that's already more than Geneva which only has one highway and one railway link year round, and we don't ask for 10bn SFr. projects to be better connected to the rest of the country.

Enough with spending in the gotthard or north-south connections, other parts of the country are in dire need for better infrastructure.
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Old March 29th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #1570
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Well, that's already more than Geneva which only has one highway and one railway link year round
Had I never seen a map of Switzerland, I might, after reading this, think that Geneva has very poor connections.
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Old March 29th, 2014, 02:14 AM   #1571
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Hey I've lived before near the Alps

It is just that I think these days you can dig tunnels anywhere you need.
In a technological sense yes, tunnels can be built in all sorts of places that wasn't possible decades ago. Whether the political will exisits to do so (and the finances to build them) is a different matter entirely.

In a perfect world the Swiss could have tunnels going everywhere.
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Old March 29th, 2014, 04:16 AM   #1572
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I always thought there should be a full high-speed link Geneve-St. Gallen
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Old March 29th, 2014, 12:48 PM   #1573
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I always thought there should be a full high-speed link Geneve-St. Gallen
If you have a big bag of money feel free to give it to the SBB. Don't be surprised if it gets spend on projects with a higher priority however.

It's not because something would be nice to have that it should be build...
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Zurich-Berne is very fast. And is part of Geneve-St.Gallen.
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Old March 30th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #1575
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The Rhaetian Railway in March 2014, like model trains:























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Old March 30th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #1576
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Any of you know if there are any abandoned rail lines in Switzerland? Either outright or with no more passenger service. There is a fair number of abandoned stations, but I can't think of any lines.

There is surprising number of local railway lines here going from one small town to another. I was in Porrentruy yesterday and noticed that there is a train line to Bonfol (small village). Haven't even heard about that one before...
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From the book "Schienennetz Schweiz I could identify just a couple of closed down lines. Most of these lines have been broken up completely.

The longest line where passenger services have been terminated is Solothurn - Busswil between Solothurn and Büren an der Aare.
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Hadn't there been a Bellinzona - Cabbiolo railway?
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Old March 31st, 2014, 03:04 PM   #1579
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Any of you know if there are any abandoned rail lines in Switzerland? Either outright or with no more passenger service. There is a fair number of abandoned stations, but I can't think of any lines.
Hinwil-Bauma is only used for a steam train, no regular services anymore.

There are also several broken down lines. Are you interested in those too?
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Hinwil-Bauma is only used for a steam train, no regular services anymore.

There are also several broken down lines. Are you interested in those too?
Not sure I understand the difference…
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