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Old April 23rd, 2014, 01:34 PM   #1641
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I agree, I've always liked the TEE trains.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 07:12 PM   #1642
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^ Nice, get that thing passed for the Channel Tunnel and it could go pretty much anywhere (electrified) . Is it being put back into service on a tourist line? If so I would take that, looks amazing.
It is occasionally used for specials. The next one with this train is on may 10th. It is owned by "SBB Historic" which has quite a nice collection, that they regularly run. You can also rent it, for a company event for example.
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 10:05 PM   #1643
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After the TEE era, they have been used as EuroCity until 1994 (and for some other trains, like the Bern-Frasne services connecting with the TGVs Lausanna-Frasne-Paris). Four sets with four coaches and a locomotive each were initially built, followed by a fifth 6-car sets and by additional coaches for the others. I remember a trip on a grey mouse when I was a child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB-CFF-FFS_RAe_TEE_II

Also these diesel trainsets looked nice:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_RAm_TEE_/_NS_DE_IV

Some coaches of these sets were transported abck to Europe from Canada, but the locomotives have been scrapped.

In both cases, trains too small and built in too few units to be economically interesting.

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The section Mendrisio-Stabio will open in December 2014, but will be of limited use. Trains will run on peak hours only, every hour as S40 Mendrisio-Stabio-Balerna-Chiasso-(CH/I border)-Como-Albate and every hour as shuttles Mendrisio-Stabio. This means trains every 30 minutes on Mendrisio-Stabio, but only 5-8 and 16-19 on workdays. As there is no park&ride and as a bus connection to Italy is extremely unlikely, users of this short section of line will be commuters going to industries around Stabio's station, and people living within walking distance from the station (not more than a few thousands inhabitants).

Stabio station is 3,5 km from Mendrisio, here: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Stabio...o,+Ticino&z=19

Older photos of the line under construction:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post104228500

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post105444279

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...#post107088368
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 10:11 PM   #1644
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Also these diesel trainsets looked nice:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_RAm_TEE_/_NS_DE_IV

Some coaches of these sets were transported abck to Europe from Canada, but the locomotives have been scrapped.
Wasn't there a private association, named TEE Classics, at the base of this action ? Is it still active ? I remember there were even plans to rebuild a
locomotive for this set from scratch...
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Old April 24th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #1645
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It was Stadler Rail that overhauled the RAe TEE II for SBB Historic.

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Stadler Rail has carried out important maintenance work on the legendary RAe TEE II 1035 multiple-unit train on behalf of SBB Historic. The work involved replacing the electric wheel-slip protection and anti-slide device and restoring the multi-system compliance of the drive. This means the train can now travel on all four power systems on the major European railways. Stadler also carried out the necessary test work on its four-system track in Bussnang.
http://www.stadlerrail.com/en/news/2...overhauls-tee/


The coaches of the RAm TEE / DE4 that have been brought back to the Netherlands in 2006 by the "Stichting Trans Europ Express Nederland" are now stored in Amsterdam together with the Fyra V250 trains that will be returned to AnsaldoBreda.


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It's not being restored at the moment, the people behind it are working to get the funds together to bring the coaches back to their original state. At the moment it's highly unlikely that it will get a new locomotive, there's simply not enough money.

Here's a little clip from a Dutch TV show that showed a couple of years ago with English subtitles on the train.

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Old April 24th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #1646
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Geneva main train station's new refurbished side has been opened today!

Some pictures I took at midday

The main hall (was already open) with the entrances now freed to the new side (notice Liechtenstein hasn't been painted on the map :P (it is the original one anyway)
[IMG]http://i62.************/o0qt87.jpg[/IMG]

The new side as entering from the main hall
[IMG]http://i61.************/2zq75z9.jpg[/IMG]

The new side as entering from the new exterior entrance, those stairs lead to the corridor linking all the platforms (which are above, you can see a woman waiting on platform 1 through the new windows)
[IMG]http://i60.************/egoho8.jpg[/IMG]

A sight from the whole thing as going down from platform 1 new exit
[IMG]http://i60.************/2uqg9kn.jpg[/IMG]

Seen from inside the new Starbucks
[IMG]http://i59.************/1586yph.jpg[/IMG]

Hurray for the CFF who have chosen very good stores to open inside, including a Migros (supermarket), Starbucks, a Payot library, Subway etc, especially the Migros :P for those who don't know it, Switzerland is very restrictive when it comes to opening times of shops, except for railways stations! for example on sunday's the only opened supermarket in the whole city was the Migros inside the railway station of the airport together with the existing stores on the side that was already refurbished, the offer is pretty good!

Some other images from Tribune de Genève




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Old April 25th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #1647
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The main hall (was already open) with the entrances now freed to the new side (notice Liechtenstein hasn't been painted on the map :P (it is the original one anyway)
[IMG]http://i62.************/o0qt87.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks for giving us back South Tyrol .
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Old May 1st, 2014, 11:25 PM   #1648
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The so-called sectorial plan maps (I can't find a better English translation) can be seen on the internet: http://s.geo.admin.ch/55805f94f

Basically, it is a list of future federal infrastructural projects used to coordinate them. These are projects not yet financed, the construction of which is not certain, but might reasonably be built in the next 10 to 30 years.

It is only in German/French/Italian, so here a few tips:
* strumenti ==> misurazione allows to measure distances
* in the top right corner you can choose the language and select betwen a black&white/colour map (carta a colori) and satellite photos (swissimage) (there is a fourth option, "no background at all", but for us quite useless)
* piani settoriali ==> PS infrastruttura ferroviaria ==> altri dati settoriali ==> SIS status quo allows to select/unselect under construction projects
* piani settoriali ==> PS infrastruttura stradale should be the same for roads, but it isn't done yet (it might take some months from now)
* there are many other options to show things like natural parks, political boundaries, etc

Note that it only shows federal projects, cantonal projects are not shown even when they are partly funded by the federal government. Clic on a project to see more infos, including details in PDF files (only in the language of the concerned region). The colours shows new lines (green), upgrade of existing lines (light blue) and new or upgraded lines under construction (black).

These projects are:
* the new Lucerne tunnel and station
* a new 30 km Zürich-Aarau tunnel, or two shorter tunnels and surface sections (it's still not decided)
* the 18 km Wisenberg tunnel between Basel and Olten
* 16 km of new and upgraded track between Berne and Lausanne, including a 6 km tunnel
* 13 km of new and upgraded track between Zürich and Winterthur, including a 9 km tunnel
* southern extension of the Ceneri Base Tunnel (final length 38 km+branches, it would have between 4 and 7 double track portals, according to how many branches would be built)
* a new freight only, single track, ~35-km long line between Cadenazzo (CH) and Laveno (I), including a ~20 km tunnel parallel to the CBT (much of the rest of the line would be in tunnel, too)
* a new 18 km line linking the GBT and the CBT, mostly in tunnel
* an extension of the GBT which would then be 75 km long, followed by a short open air section near Brunnen and then another tunnel (an alternative is building it underground, obtaining a single 85-km long tunnel)
* the second part of the Zimmerberg Base Tunnel (ZBT, total length 20 km), plus two as yet undefined news lines between Zug and Arth-Goldau and/or Lucerne (these latter quite unlikely, IMHO)
* upgrade of the Lötschberg base line (second track, Steg branch, new Niesen tunnel)
* many other smaller projects (mainly doubling/tripling of existing lines)

IMHO, the projects likely to be built "quickly" (opening between 2030 and 2035) are the ZBT, Lucerne's underground station, the partially new Zürich-Wintertur line, more tracks on the Zürich-Olten line (maybe only the Chestenberg tunnel, part of the "two shorter tunnel" variant), and a partial upgrade of the Lötschberg base line (building the lining and the track in the 15 km unfinished section of the LBT, but leaving the LBT with the northernmost 7 km of single track). The less likely are the two varians for a Zug's bypass. However, that's just my opinion, I don't know -nobody knows- what will be built first.

More infos: http://www.bav.admin.ch/themen/02957/index.html?lang=it
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Old May 1st, 2014, 11:35 PM   #1649
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Thanks for the document, I'll go through it when I have a bit more time. All this is long term, however. Do you know what kind of rail projects we have which are not yet under construction but are likely to be in the next 3-5 years?
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Old May 1st, 2014, 11:51 PM   #1650
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I'm too tired to copy them directly here now, however, you can easily find them here:

http://www.bav.admin.ch/zeb/03777/03...x.html?lang=de for ZEB

http://www.bav.admin.ch/fabi/index.html?lang=de for FABI 1st phase

Basically, ZEB is financed by money approved in the 1990s, FABI by the eternal fund approved by voters on the 9th February of this year. Both will be built by around 2025.

After that, more FABI phases will follow every 4-5 years, the next will presented to the parliament in 2018 (for opening around 2030) and by that date we should know what projects will be included. The third phase should eb presented by 2022, and so on. The "projects likely to be built quickly" I have listed above will be, in my opinion, be included in the 2nd or 3rd phase.

Remember that cantonal projects are not included (yet?) in FABI's fund, so Basel's S-Bahn tunnel, Neuchâtel's Transrun or Lugano's tram tunnel might be built via cantonal and federal funds (FABI's projects, however, are federal only).
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 01:20 AM   #1651
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On a related note does anyone know about this? It has to do with (current and past) long-term plans for hgv lines:

http://www.citrap-vaud.ch/wp-content...len22.4.13.pdf
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These are mostly unofficial proposals (some by locally famous people, for instance Oliver Français is/was a politician involved in transports in Lausanne, but given as personal opinions).

The only official informations given are on pages 13 (time reductions), 14 (frequency, bigger red lines = every 15 minutes, smaller lines = every 30), 15 (improvements on Lausanne-Geneva by 2025), 17 (the Eppenbergtunnel will open by 2020, the others may follow later, as shown or different alignments).
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I see, thanks!
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Thanks for the document, I'll go through it when I have a bit more time. All this is long term, however. Do you know what kind of rail projects we have which are not yet under construction but are likely to be in the next 3-5 years?
There is a comprehensive overview of Swiss rail projects on wikipedia. It's German, but google translate should be able to handle it.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #1655
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I understand a new Albula-tunnel will be built on the RhB-network to replace the current tunnel. I don't understand why though: the new tunnel will be single-track and will completely replace the current single track tunnel. So there isn't any capacity increase there. So if it doesn't lead to capacity increase, what is the reason for the new tunnel?
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For security and sustainability reasons. (see your link)
http://www.rhb.ch/


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The deciding factors were the relatively small difference in costs as well as the limited restrictions affecting the timetable during the construction phase and the substantially higher safety provided by a new development, for the old tunnel no longer complies with the latest standards.
http://www.tunnel-online.info/en/art...l_1816890.html
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So if it doesn't lead to capacity increase, what is the reason for the new tunnel?
Building a new tunnel is only marginally more expensive than a major overhaul of the old one. But it has several advantages:
- It creates no multi-year disruption of traffic
- It allows building the making the tunnel larger, improving safety
- It allows using the old tunnel as escape route
- It will probably last longer than an overhauled old tunnel

Since the capacity of the old tunnel is sufficient, there is no need to expand it.
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Old May 6th, 2014, 07:40 AM   #1658
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Building a new tunnel is only marginally more expensive than a major overhaul of the old one. But it has several advantages:
- It creates no multi-year disruption of traffic
- It allows building the making the tunnel larger, improving safety
- It allows using the old tunnel as escape route
- It will probably last longer than an overhauled old tunnel

Since the capacity of the old tunnel is sufficient, there is no need to expand it.
So the new tunnel will have cross passages to the old tunnel?
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So the new tunnel will have cross passages to the old tunnel?
There will indeed be cross passages about every 450 m.

In 2009'the Swiss government introduced new legislation requiring railways to update the safety systems and procedures for their tunnels. Railways have till 2019 to produce a plan how they intend to comply.
One of the new requirements is that passengers must be able to evacuate themselves. In the old tunnel this would be impossible.
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Ok, thanks for that info. There must be a shitload of older Swiss railway tunnels lacking an external escape route though?
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