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Old May 6th, 2014, 08:22 AM   #1661
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I think it only applies to tunnels over the certain length.
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Old May 7th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #1662
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AFAIK, the maximum distance one can walk in a tunnel with the smoke of a fire is (optimistically, IMHO) around 500 m - and rail tunnels longer than that are around 150 in this country.

However, in long rail tunnels with low traffic disasters are quite unlikely, so this safety paranoia has more political/psychological than rational origins.

Obviously, in the case of new tunnels providing escape paths is good.

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Because of works, the overhead wires on part of the Arth-Rigi rack railway had to be switched off. But as the Rigibahn doesn't own diesel rack locomotives, work trains are pushed and braked by steam engines.

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Old May 7th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #1663
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Something completely different....

The 1000 mm narrow gauge Bulle - Broc line of TPF (Transports Publics Fribourgeois) will be regauged to standard gauge and reelctrified. The original line was opened in two stages in 1912. The cost of the project which will be finished in 2019 – 2021 is CHF 50 million and will be covered by the confederation government. After that, the line will be included in the Fribour RER network. The project allows direct passenger trains from Bern to the Cailler chocolate factory very popular for tourists!

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Old May 8th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #1664
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Benefits will mostly be for freight traffic, as now it has to use rollbocks (which is very costly), and just for 5 km or so.

Because of a common stretch south of Bulle, a 4-rail track will have to be built, together with a commutable overhead line (900 V DC and 15 kV AC).

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Bulle&...+Friburgo&z=19

Bottom-left track goes to Montbovon, bottom-right to Broc.

An article in French: http://www.lagruyere.ch/2014/05/de-b...-de-train.html
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Old May 9th, 2014, 02:29 PM   #1665
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Stadler has won a tender to supply 29 new high speed trains to Swiss Federal Railways, SBB. The trains, 200 meters long and 250 km/h fast, will enter service at the end of 2019 and will run between Basel, Zürich and Milan. Source and more: IRJ

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Old May 9th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #1666
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Why did they insist on a 250 km/h Vmax?
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Old May 9th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #1667
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Why did they insist on a 250 km/h Vmax?
Because that will be the Vmax of the Gotthard/Ceneri base tunnels, I guess.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #1668
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Why did they insist on a 250 km/h Vmax?
I think it's actually 249. To stay within Class II norms.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 05:28 PM   #1669
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Because that will be the Vmax of the Gotthard/Ceneri base tunnels, I guess.
That might be true, yes, but I doubt SBB will operate at those speeds.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 08:14 PM   #1670
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That might be true, yes, but I doubt SBB will operate at those speeds.
Probably not, but they would like to be able to operate at that speed outside Switzerland. That's a useful option considering the very long lifetime of trains.
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Old May 9th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1671
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The max speed is indeed 249 km/h

SBB press release:
http://www.sbb.ch/sbb-konzern/medien...-5-0905_2.html

Stadler press release:
http://www.stadlerrail.com/de/medien...fur-neat-zuge/
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Old May 10th, 2014, 10:23 AM   #1672
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That might be true, yes, but I doubt SBB will operate at those speeds.
That's true. But if you're going to order a Class II high speed train you can as well order one that goes till 249...
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Old May 10th, 2014, 01:39 PM   #1673
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Is it known what happens with the ETR 470 EMU:s that will be replaced?


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They are up for a major revision, that's the reason they are already being phased out when the new ETR 610 sets are delivered later this year.

If there's a buyer that wants to pay both for the trains and for the revision they might end up running somewhere else. But the longer there's no news about such a sale it becomes more likely that they will be scrapped.
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Old May 10th, 2014, 04:33 PM   #1675
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They are up for a major revision, that's the reason they are already being phased out when the new ETR 610 sets are delivered later this year.



If there's a buyer that wants to pay both for the trains and for the revision they might end up running somewhere else. But the longer there's no news about such a sale it becomes more likely that they will be scrapped.

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Old May 10th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #1676
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Here are some pictures of SBB's latest:


The EC250, Swiss Federal Railways' newest high speed train, has been presented. The name EC249 would be more appropriate as the trains will be homologated for a maximum speed of 249 km/h.


Close up of the EC250's nose.


One of the train's entrances. Note the gentle slope towards the door, the EC250 is a low floor vehicle so that people in a wheelchair or with a baby carriage can easily enter the vehicle without needing assistence.


Interior shot of a first class car.


Each seat will be equipped with a power socket. The four-seaters in first class get folding tables.


Seats in 2nd class. These four-seaters will not get the big folding tables, a small folding table near the window will be installed instead.


Interior of the dining coach.


Close up of an area for luggage and ski's.


Bikes are allowed as well.

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Old May 10th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #1677
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I like the detail of placing the CFF logo in front, although I still think the Swiss "coat-of-arms" as in the Re 4/4 is better looking
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Old May 11th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #1678
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They are up for a major revision, that's the reason they are already being phased out when the new ETR 610 sets are delivered later this year.

If there's a buyer that wants to pay both for the trains and for the revision they might end up running somewhere else. But the longer there's no news about such a sale it becomes more likely that they will be scrapped.
SBB's ETR 470 should be put out of service by the end of this year (but I suppose early 2015 at the latest, depending on the delivery of the new ETR 610), while I heard that Trenitalia's ETR 470 will continue to run on the Gotthard route for some time (maybe until when Trenitalia has enough ETR 400 to free ETR 610s for international services.

It all depends on how much services will be offered, however: within a year, SBB should have 15 ETR 610, which together with the 7 belonging to Trenitalia gives 22 sets. Today's (June 2014) timetable requires 7 sets on the Simplon (including those under maintenance), 5 sets on the Zürich-Milano services (excluding reserves), 1 set for the single Lucerne-Milano trip, for a total of ~14 sets.

As for the new trains, as they can run under 25 kV they may be used on Italian HSL lines to reindtroduce services like Zürich-Florence(-Rome), as well as (maybe in the future) in France. Note that initially they should be equipped D-CH-I (not for Austria and France AFAIK), and that 19 will have a dining car, 10 will not.
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What a neat looking train, but this picture really bothers me:



EC cars should have tables at every single seat and not just in the first class. This ain't no local train afterall.
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Old May 11th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #1680
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I personally couldn't care less, and in fact I prefer sets without tables since it feels more spacious
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