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Old May 13th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #1701
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How much luggage storage is really a problem?
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Old May 13th, 2014, 07:26 PM   #1702
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Facing seats on full trains are bad for solo travelers, at least for me. Being on the direct line of sight of a stranger that is not there for some special reason is always bothering, and you can't stretch your legs without violating most accepted social norms about personal space. At least this is how I think.
Well, most people are not so sissy about that. If you really can't stand other people you're always free to chose another seat.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:26 PM   #1703
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I actually like the chair system of the trains of Sydney. You can just flip over seats they way you want them.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #1704
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That's cool. Didn't know something like that is possible.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #1705
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I rarely see first class coaches more than half full in Switzerland. It just costs too much for only a marginal advantage. The biggest one probably being the very fact that the coaches are almost empty.
Unless you travel between Zürich and Bern, where the 1st class is actually fuller than the second.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #1706
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Why is that?
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Old May 13th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #1707
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Facing seats on full trains are bad for solo travelers, at least for me. Being on the direct line of sight of a stranger that is not there for some special reason is always bothering, and you can't stretch your legs without violating most accepted social norms about personal space. At least this is how I think.
Not everybody is like you however. Usually on trains that aren't full ( ie, most of the time) people will not take a seat directly across from you. Facing seats result in more leg room in these situations.

I just rode on an NMBS desiro yesterday, and boy, do they pack them like sardines....
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Old May 13th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #1708
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I actually like the chair system of the trains of Sydney. You can just flip over seats they way you want them. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvhET3SSGQ">YouTube Link</a>
That gives you the disadvantages of airline seating, without the advantages...
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Old May 13th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #1709
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While I'm alone I don't care too much about seat arrangments. When in group then of course facing seats are better. But in both case the most important is that seats are aligned with windows...
That's going to be ok. If you look at the renderings you'll notice that the manufacturer appears not to care much about having windows all the same size and evenly spaced. You see that also with swiss double stock trains, where windows on the upper and lower level aren't necessarily aligned as well.
The seats get drawn in first, then the windows...
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Old May 13th, 2014, 11:06 PM   #1710
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Unless you travel between Zürich and Bern, where the 1st class is actually fuller than the second.
Government workers? I live in Basel so quite obviously don't travel that route.
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Old May 13th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #1711
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Why is that?
Swisscom, SBB and Swiss government employees.

And a first class GA costs less then commuting Zürich Bern by car would cost in gasoline alone...
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Old May 13th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #1712
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And a first class GA costs less then commuting Zürich Bern by car would cost in gasoline alone...
That is true although commuting such a long distance every day is crazy regardless of cost. I wouldn't want such a life...
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Old May 14th, 2014, 08:35 AM   #1713
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That gives you the disadvantages of airline seating, without the advantages...
Quite the opposite, you can always seat facing forwards if you want. I assume you have never been to Sydney?
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Old May 14th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #1714
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Quite the opposite, you can always seat facing forwards if you want. I assume you have never been to Sydney?
Those seats are good for S-Bahn/RER services such in Sydney (were those double-deck trains with movable seats are used), but it wouldn't be as much comfortable for IR/IC trains because as explained the room between seats in those trains is used as storing space, which is more necessary for long-distance trains instead of trains that are purely used by commuters.
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Old May 14th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #1715
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Beside that reversible seats cannot have tablets on the rear.

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Government workers? I live in Basel so quite obviously don't travel that route.
Including the former minister of transport (the one before the current one).
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Quite the opposite, you can always seat facing forwards if you want. I assume you have never been to Sydney?
I have. And I can't begin to list all the things that are terribly wrong with cityrail...

The disadvantage of airline seating is that it slows down boarding. If the person sitting at the window wants to get out, the person sitting next to him or her must get up as well. And in Sidney with 2+3 seating sometimes even two persons must get up.
Another disadvantage is less luggage space.
The main advantage of airline style seating is that you can have a tray table to prop your laptop on. But that you don't have with those reversing seats in Sydney. You hence lose the major advantage.

Being able to travel facing forward is only a minor advantage. Most people don't care. And in Switzerland trains sometimes reverse direction several times during their route.
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That is true although commuting such a long distance every day is crazy regardless of cost. I wouldn't want such a life...
It's less than an hour. Most people in Greater London have longer commutes.

I've done if for years. Now I commute Bern - Basel every day. Still have a first class GA. It's two hours a day that are entirely mine.
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It's less than an hour. Most people in Greater London have longer commutes.

I've done if for years. Now I commute Bern - Basel every day. Still have a first class GA. It's two hours a day that are entirely mine.
Less than an hour station to station, the whole commute will be significantly longer than that for most. My commute is 40 min one way and it already feels borderline for me. Not that it's particularly uncomfortable, but I'd prefer to spend that time somewhere else. In the past my longest commute was 15 min…
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Old May 14th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #1719
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I have. And I can't begin to list all the things that are terribly wrong with cityrail...

The disadvantage of airline seating is that it slows down boarding. If the person sitting at the window wants to get out, the person sitting next to him or her must get up as well. And in Sidney with 2+3 seating sometimes even two persons must get up.
For a commuter train this is indeed not perfect, but for longer distances it should be ok. And we don't have 2+3 seating in Switzerland.
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Another disadvantage is less luggage space.
How much is less then zero? Because in the current IC2000 you can place a average suitcase neither under your seat nor overhead.
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The main advantage of airline style seating is that you can have a tray table to prop your laptop on. But that you don't have with those reversing seats in Sydney. You hence lose the major advantage.
I don't think it wouldn't be possible to add those, it's just that they didn't made those in Sydney.
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Being able to travel facing forward is only a minor advantage. Most people don't care. And in Switzerland trains sometimes reverse direction several times during their route.
A lot less after next year
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On an other order of things...

Geneva's "Business Point" (a sort of lounge à la airport) in Cornavin train station opened today

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Cornavin inaugure son aile de luxe

En plus d'y manger, d'y organiser ses vacances ou d'y faire ses courses, on peut désormais également travailler et se relaxer à la gare Cornavin. Ce mercredi matin, les CFF ont inauguré leur secteur «deluxe», situé au deuxième étage de la nouvelle aile est. Genève est désormais la seule gare de Suisse à bénéficier à la fois d'un Business Point et d'un Lounge 1ère classe.

Keep reading: Tribune de Genève







It can be accessed by users owning a 1st class AG or a 1st class international single ticket. It joins Bern's, which was until today the only such CFF's lounge.
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