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Old June 18th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #1781
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Well, it was confirmed by SBB that there were some mechanical parts stolen in Milano during the night. Walter Schenk, Head of the international fleet and responsible for the maintenance, at about 1:25 in this video, if you understand some German: http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/10vor10/...c-044fca235615
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Old June 18th, 2014, 07:29 AM   #1782
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Yes, since someone stole components from SBB's ETR 470s parked overnight in Milan, SBB itself decided not to park any more train in Italy during the night if not necessary.

The question is...who would like to steal a train's component?
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Old June 18th, 2014, 07:38 AM   #1783
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Yes, since someone stole components from SBB's ETR 470s parked overnight in Milan, SBB itself decided not to park any more train in Italy during the night if not necessary.

The question is...who would like to steal a train's component?
Ask some of the people in New Zealand. A lot of passenger trains are parked on sidings (at night) surrounded by fences with barbed wire on top.
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Old June 18th, 2014, 08:22 AM   #1784
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Could it be for scrap metal?
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Old June 18th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #1785
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Or just to reuse the components on other trains of the same type but belonging to a different company...
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Old June 18th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #1786
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Back in 90s, during the height of poverty of ex-USSR countries, it was common problem between Russia and Ukraine, which had rather homological fleet and operating patterns back from USSR times, calculated for minimal idling times. That ultimately resulted into changing routes, so they ''brake near border'.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 08:58 PM   #1787
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Two "dream" proposals made during this week concerning Geneva

Building a new railway line between Geneva and Lausanne, following the existing highway, which wouldn't have any stop in between.

Read the news: 24 heures
Blue: Existing highway
Wide Black: Main existing railway line
Thin Black: Other railways
Red: New railway line



And the extension of Geneva's railway lines:

Read the news: Tribune de Genève

The first has zero chance of happening. The second has 1% chance in the very long term. Out of the two extensions proposed there, the southern link "liaison sud" seems the one most interesting since it would service new relatively densely populated areas of the canton with 3 more train stations, and provide direct services to Annecy.

From what I read, they also propose creating a new station in Charmilles (which is around the area marked in red as "adaptation du tunnel de la Châtelaine" which itself is a proposal to adapt an existing goods-transport only tunnel for passenger traffic) on the existing line to Vernier. That would be really useful since it is a highly dense area with no tramway, although in the very very long term Geneva wants to build one. Technically speaking it would be hard since it runs on a tunnel together with the line to the airport.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #1788
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If the idea of building "higher speed" railway ever takes hold in Switzerland, the first proposal would be exactly that's needed in this area.

By the way any of you know what is currently the main route for freight trains going from Germany via Basel to Italy?
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Old June 19th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #1789
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I don't think HSR is really necessary, today it takes 33min to go from one city to the other, lowering that by 5min wouldn't make much of a difference since Geneva as the end of the line and no other connections save its RER current and future lines, doesn't need to form part of the horaire cadencé. It's mostly a problem of capacity and reliability. Such line would allow to increase capacity to cities in between such as Rolle and Gland on the current line and therefore spread the development of Lake Genevan urban areas, and to extend Geneva's RER to Nyon, apart from increasing the frequencies departing from Geneva and allow more freight trains.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #1790
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I don't think HSR is really necessary, today it takes 33min to go from one city to the other, lowering that by 5min wouldn't make much of a difference since Geneva as the end of the line and no other connections save its RER current and future lines, doesn't need to form part of the horaire cadencé. It's mostly a problem of capacity and reliability. Such line would allow to increase capacity to cities in between such as Rolle and Gland on the current line and therefore spread the development of Lake Genevan urban areas, and to extend Geneva's RER to Nyon, apart from increasing the frequencies departing from Geneva and allow more freight trains.
It probably isn't, but Geneva-Lausanne is only ca 60 km and not particularly hilly. A non-stop service of 20 min (180 km/h average) would be possible. Of course the main selling point would be increase in capacity.
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It probably isn't, but Geneva-Lausanne is only ca 60 km and not particularly hilly. A non-stop service of 20 min (180 km/h average) would be possible. Of course the main selling point would be increase in capacity.
At the moment the train already dominates in the "downtown Geneve to downtown Lausanne" market. So speeding this up, though nice, shouldn't be a priority. Increasing capacity should, because there a still a lot of people commuting to Geneve or Lausanne by car that could be tempted to take the train if an RER with trains every 15 minutes were implemented in the area.
When it comes to increasing capacity I think that four tracking the existing line is probably the best solution.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #1792
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You are probably right, although a new line would also add capacity by removing all long distance trains from the current line.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #1793
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At the end the effect would be the same, but operatively speaking it would probably be easier to have a separate line, and it would also help resolve problems when for instance there's a "person accident" in one of the two lines. Nowadays such things imply that Geneva gets cut from the rest of the Swiss network.

As for the costs, I'm not sure they would be significantly different; running along the highway away from cities, basically means that there's already room for it, whilst building two more lines along the existing ones around the area of Nyon, Gland, Rolle, and Morge would prove costly. The highway is also going to suffer some works, so there could also be some efficiencies in that sense.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 07:29 PM   #1794
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What are chances of reopening the French sector of the railway going on the southern bank of Lac Lman?
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Old June 20th, 2014, 07:56 PM   #1795
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close to none. It wouldn't be very interesting for the CFF (or SNCF for the matter) anyway; much of the people who travel from Valais go to Vaud, so for them it turns profitable to run a line all the way from Brigue to Geneva through Lausanne, since the train gets full again from people travelling from Lausanne to Geneva. A service Geneva - Brigue without going through Lausanne wouldn't be empty, but it wouldn't be very popular given that the distance would in any case prove too long for commuting.

In any case there could not be direct trains from Geneva since a change in Annemasse would be necessary, and furthermore, it wouldn't solve any of the problems of the existing line since it wouldn't link Geneva to the line of the pied du Jura (Yverdon-les-Bains, Neuchâtel, Bienne) and Lausanne (Fribourg, Vevey, Bern)
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 07:49 AM   #1796
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Hi guys, does anyone heard about this project? Taken from Railway Gazette:

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Switzerland’s Federal Office of Transport has given its approval to a SFr50m project to convert TPF’s 5·5 km Bulle - Broc-Fabrique branch from 1000 mm to 1435 mm gauge, to enable Fribourg RER services to be extended to Broc. Due to be executed in 2016-21, the project would be entirely funded by the Swiss Confederation
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 12:11 PM   #1797
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Yes. It was already mentioned in this very same thread.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=113843698
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 12:14 PM   #1798
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Hi guys, does anyone heard about this project? Taken from Railway Gazette:
I did a few months ago already. Was in the local press.
"Broc Fabrique" is where the Cailler Chocolate factory is. This factory receives a lot of visitors (tourists) and also some freight by rail, over the short narrow gauge line Bulle - Broc.
However especially getting freight there is complicated, as freight cars need to be put on transporter bogies. Because of that more and more freight is being moved by road to the factory.
Regauging the line will make it possible to move more freight back to the rails. It is also planned to extend the Bern - Bulle trains to Broc. These trains now spend enough time idling in Bulle that they an cover Bulle - Broc without any problem. Thus no extra train sets would be needed.
So the advantages are:
- Moving freight to the Cailler factory back to the rails.
- Single seat ride for tourists coming from Bern.
- One narrow gauge train set less needed for the TPG narrow gauge network.

Downsides:
- This is probably the end of the "train de chocolate" form Montreux to Broc Fabrique.
- Stops between Bulle and Broc - Vilage will be closed as it will not be possible to enlarge them to fit the longer trains.

Bacause the lines to Broc and Montbovon only deviate a few hundred meters east of Bulle the line will have a four track shared section, with switchable overhead.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 12:29 PM   #1799
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Yes. It was already mentioned in this very same thread.
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You are probably right, although a new line would also add capacity by removing all long distance trains from the current line.
On the Geneva-Lausanne line there are, per hour per direction (off peak), these trains:

* 2 regional trains (not between Copper and Allaman)
* 2 RegioExpress
* 3 InterRegio
* 2 InterCity
* 2 freight trains (available slots on average)

That means that there are 7 trains that make intermediate stops and 4 that doesn't. The target is to have 4 trains per hour of each type (excluding freights), that means 12 trains with stops and 6 without. In my opinion, a new line should have junctions near Nyon and Morges to allow its use by the InterRegio. If not, it would be able to carry just one third of the traffic. The need to make stops is why I'm not so sure that building a new line is a good idea (and why I think a line unsuitable for freight trains would be madness).

[the ICN Geneva-Yverdon-Basel/St.Gallen count as IR, because even if since some time they do not stop anymore until Yverdon because of capacity reasons]
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