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Old July 21st, 2014, 11:36 PM   #1821
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Vaud, I think he meant something different. The idea is that SBB is setting a price for their services which is sufficient for up keeping the system and earning a modest profit (half fare and/or GA, local subscriptions excluded as those are subsidised) and THEN doubling the price for remaining few very occasional users and unsuspecting tourists.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 01:19 AM   #1822
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Vaud, I think he meant something different. The idea is that SBB is setting a price for their services which is sufficient for up keeping the system and earning a modest profit (half fare and/or GA, local subscriptions excluded as those are subsidised) and THEN doubling the price for remaining few very occasional users and unsuspecting tourists.
You got it Sunfuns.

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Old July 22nd, 2014, 01:38 AM   #1823
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Half price means half price!
Do you work for SBB?
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 03:55 AM   #1824
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The stategy is not unique to SBB/CFF/FSS.

Here in the Netherlands, NS does a similar thing - stand-alone fares are high, but everyone riding trains more than twice a month (for a one-way distance of 60km or so) is better off buying some subscription plan that gives discounts, free use on certain times etc.

What the companies are trying to do is to lock-in the costumers. It is a strategy used by many other business that operate on similar concepts (you pay for some "membership" or "subscription" that gives you a hefty discount on purchase of a recurring service/product, then you are likely to overestimate the impact of the discount and seek competing options less often. In this case, it means that if SBB costumers are average humans, they overemphasize the impact of their discount cards, and are less likely to seek alternative transportation options (mainly cars in the case of Switzerland).
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 08:09 AM   #1825
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The stategy is not unique to SBB/CFF/FSS.
Indeed. Owning a car is exactly the same...
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 03:19 PM   #1826
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What the companies are trying to do is to lock-in the costumers. It is a strategy used by many other business that operate on similar concepts (you pay for some "membership" or "subscription" that gives you a hefty discount on purchase of a recurring service/product, then you are likely to overestimate the impact of the discount and seek competing options less often. In this case, it means that if SBB costumers are average humans, they overemphasize the impact of their discount cards, and are less likely to seek alternative transportation options (mainly cars in the case of Switzerland).
This of course only works if you offer a network that can replace a car. You need a high quality, integrated public transportation network for that. It also matters whether you see public transport as a social service, or as a normal part of a middle class lifestyle.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 11:02 AM   #1827
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:37 PM   #1828
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Old August 6th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #1829
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Albula line with the famous Landwasser viaduct:











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Old August 6th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #1830
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Do they run steam trains on that line to this day??? Isn't that WAY unsafe for modern standards of safety, air quality inside tunnels and other regulations???
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Old August 6th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #1831
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Of course, everyone travels like this...

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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:49 AM   #1832
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Do they run steam trains on that line to this day??? Isn't that WAY unsafe for modern standards of safety, air quality inside tunnels and other regulations???
Special excursion trains. Like for Swiss National Day.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 03:54 PM   #1833
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The biggest problem with these special steam trains is the risk of fires around the tracks. Therefor they are always followed by a special fire train with a big tank of water to extinguish any fires along the line.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #1834
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I didn't assume it was a regular scheduled train, just thought it is dangerous. At least dangerous according to our contemporary standards and expectations of safety, risk-avoidance and prevention of fires or soot-filled air.
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Old August 6th, 2014, 08:12 PM   #1835
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I didn't assume it was a regular scheduled train, just thought it is dangerous. At least dangerous according to our contemporary standards and expectations of safety, risk-avoidance and prevention of fires or soot-filled air.
Oh suburbanist... do you ever leave your safe home?
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Old August 6th, 2014, 08:34 PM   #1836
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Landwasser-Viadukt. Cool!
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Old August 6th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #1837
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Regular trains on this line look like this, here in January 2014:






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Old August 6th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #1838
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And for Suburbanist: SBB has just bought new fire-fighting and rescue trains, called LRZ14:



This one will serve mainly for the Gotthard line, including the new base tunnel. It can reach up to 100 km/h. Three of the four cars are self-propelled with two 390 kW diesel motors each.



Presentation during the public day for the opening of the DML line in Zürich:



On the left the still operational train LRZ96, with the water supply and fire fighting car:

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Old August 7th, 2014, 07:19 AM   #1839
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I didn't assume it was a regular scheduled train, just thought it is dangerous. At least dangerous according to our contemporary standards and expectations of safety, risk-avoidance and prevention of fires or soot-filled air.
I'm a member of an organization that regularly organizes special trains made
of heritage rolling stock. I can ensure you that this stock is controlled as
rigorously as the stock used for regular trains. If a steam loco is kept well
clean and maintained, and the coal used is of the correct quality, the risk of
starting a fire is almost nil. The smoke indeed contains cinders but not
incandescent. In fact, the biggest risk is the lack of discipline from
participants when the train is stopped to take pictures. Here this would not
be a problem, as the line is single track...
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Old August 7th, 2014, 11:09 AM   #1840
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During the celebrations for the 125 years of the Gotthardbahn one train lead by a modern electric locomotive stopped for more than an hour inside a tunnel because the smoke of the preceding steam loco activated fire alarms in the modern loco. I was luky because I wanted to board the train that stopped, but I lost it arriving a few seconds too late in Erstfeld station.
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