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Old August 7th, 2014, 12:10 PM   #1841
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Do they run steam trains on that line to this day??? Isn't that WAY unsafe for modern standards of safety, air quality inside tunnels and other regulations???
They even run steam specials on the London Underground. So you can assume this is safe even for unreasonable definitions of safety...

In Bern they run steam specials on the tram network, during normal operations. You don't see that a lot...

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Old August 7th, 2014, 12:11 PM   #1842
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During the celebrations for the 125 years of the Gotthardbahn one train lead by a modern electric locomotive stopped for more than an hour inside a tunnel because the smoke of the preceding steam loco activated fire alarms in the modern loco. I was luky because I wanted to board the train that stopped, but I lost it arriving a few seconds too late in Erstfeld station.
In the old days the spacing between trains must have been larger as well. But it's not a coincidence that the next major alpine tunnel in Switzerland was electric from the start.
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Old August 8th, 2014, 06:26 PM   #1843
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SBB to invest SFr 1.5bn in Ticino rail network
Friday, August 08, 2014


Naming ETR 610 Ticino: Marco Borradori, mayor of Lugano (left); Claudio Zali, Ticino councillor; Jeannine Pilloud (SBB); and Andreas Meyer (SBB)

SWISS Federal Railways (SBB) will spend around SFr 1.5bn ($US 1.66bn) on revamping stations, modernising infrastructure and acquiring new rolling stock for Ticino, Switzerland's southernmost canton by 2020

The first of eight ETR 610 tilting trains being supplied by Alstom, which will enter service between Zürich and Milan in December, was named Ticino at a ceremony in Lugano on August 7. At the same, the newly renovated historic part of Lugano station was inaugurated by SBB CEO Mr Andreas Meyer and the mayor of Lugano Mr Marco Borradori. Work started in February on the construction of a new main ticket hall for completion in 2016.

There are also plans to restructure the station at Bellinzona, known as the gateway to Ticino, by 2016 in time for the opening of the Gotthard base tunnel on December 11 2016.

The annual meeting between SBB and local government representatives in Ticino, which took place on the same day, underlined both parties' commitment to the development of local rail services, including the planned expansion of S-Bahn Line S40, which will offer a cross-border connection between Mendrisio and Varese, Italy, from December
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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #1844
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New RABe 503 011 together with 012 (called ETR 610 in Italy) on a transfer run on August 5:

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Old August 8th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #1845
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Cool! The Swiss TGV!
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Old August 9th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #1846
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TGV? Don't let the Italians hear you! This ETR livery looks stunning though! Much sleeker and faster than there Italian twins!
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #1847
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I think the Italian trainsets are better and more modern-looking.

Still, I think AGV and V250 are the best looking high-speed train external designs of recent times.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #1848
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Those trainsets are nice looking, both on the outside and the inside; also, and probably most important for the SBB-CFF, they are very, very reliable.

The only negative point is that the cabin width is smaller, and so when the train is fully packed (For example the 18h42 EC Geneva-Domodossola on its way from Geneva to Lausanne) it feels a bit too tight.

A propos... I've always wondered why is the 18h42 EC put in front of the IC Geneva-St. Gallen leaving at 18h45, given that it's the standard two-floor train with a much higher capacity. To me it makes much more sense to reverse the trains so that the EC is less packed.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:45 AM   #1849
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Are the car shuttles (Lötschberg, Oberalp, Vareinna, Abula, Simplon) all financially self-sufficient?
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Old August 10th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #1850
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A propos... I've always wondered why is the 18h42 EC put in front of the IC Geneva-St. Gallen leaving at 18h45, given that it's the standard two-floor train with a much higher capacity. To me it makes much more sense to reverse the trains so that the EC is less packed.
It's not that easy. The IC comes from the airport. Advancing the departure there by a few minutes means that the turn-around time becomes to tight, and another train set would be needed.
Running the EC in the path of the regular hourly Geneve - Brig services just makes sense.
What they could do in Geneve is make these trains leave from opposite sites of the same platform, and make announcements for the passengers, making it clear that passengers without reservations should take the 18:45 train. Announcements like that are sometimes made in Bern.
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It's not that easy. The IC comes from the airport. Advancing the departure there by a few minutes means that the turn-around time becomes to tight, and another train set would be needed.
Running the EC in the path of the regular hourly Geneve - Brig services just makes sense.
What they could do in Geneve is make these trains leave from opposite sites of the same platform, and make announcements for the passengers, making it clear that passengers without reservations should take the 18:45 train. Announcements like that are sometimes made in Bern.
They already leave from opposite sides of the same platform (4&6), and some people wait for the next one, but it's true that an announcement of that kind would be well received, although it's a lie since you can actually seat in the EC for as long as the seat is not reserved
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Old August 10th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #1852
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This practice of carrying local passengers on EC trains in Swizterlands needs to stop, period.
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This practice of carrying local passengers on EC trains in Swizterlands needs to stop, period.
Why do you continuously insist on making our railway system less efficient?
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Why do you continuously insist on making our railway system less efficient?
More comfortable though.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #1855
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More comfortable though.
More comfortable for a small group of passengers, but less comfortable for bigger one.
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Old August 11th, 2014, 07:08 AM   #1856
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They already leave from opposite sides of the same platform (4&6), and some people wait for the next one, but it's true that an announcement of that kind would be well received, although it's a lie since you can actually seat in the EC for as long as the seat is not reserved

An yes. Forgot about the Geneve track layout. In this case I'd really would make an announcement telling that the 18:42 is full and that passengers for Lausanne should take the 18:45...
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This practice of carrying local passengers on EC trains in Swizterlands needs to stop, period.
"Local" here means Geneve - Brig, or Lausanne Sion. These are quite long distances. Allowing only Italy bound passengers on this train would reduce loadings and revenue considerably. Not a good thing.
Btw, this train carries domestic passengers in Italy as well...
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Old August 11th, 2014, 09:18 AM   #1858
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Still, I think AGV and V250 are the best looking high-speed train external designs of recent times.
V250 ? Just a pale copy of SBB's Churchill Red Arrow...
http://www.sbb.ch/content/sbb/en/des...churchill.html
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V250 ? Just a pale copy of SBB's Churchill Red Arrow...
http://www.sbb.ch/content/sbb/en/des...churchill.html
It's quite telling that at one time a trainset like this was sufficient for fast intercity services...
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Old August 11th, 2014, 11:57 PM   #1860
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It's quite telling that at one time a trainset like this was sufficient for fast intercity services...
Well they weren't... SBB did not correctly estimate the required capacity and
had to replace those trains by hauled rakes on intercity services just a few
years after their entered service. There is a nice article about those trains
in the June issue of Today's Railways Europe.
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