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Old February 27th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #181
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I'd have to agree that someone was trying to pull the wool over our eyes here ...
The underlying fact is true. Just that this chart should only have the street systems (like Berlin) for a fair comparison. About 400-500 m is a good distance for tram stops, subject to circumstances of specific locations.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 09:58 AM   #182
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Very nice, I must make a visit to Melbourne ASAP! Thanks for the photos.
my visit starts in the middle of this July! Ive been waiting for 5 years for this!

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Old March 1st, 2010, 10:24 AM   #183
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Good for you Allurban!

could I suggest:
  • route 100 (Station Pier Light Rail via Collins St to Box Hill)
  • route 16 (Kew to University via St. Kilda and Swanston St., the busiest route in the world)
  • route 65 (Domain to Melbourne Zoo, at least: a roll through Royal Park)
  • route 78/79 (North Richmond to Prahran/St. Kilda, really ancient, but historic)
  • the City Circle (it's free)
  • route 96 (St Kilda Light Rail to Melbourne Museum via Bourke Street)

You can work these in together- and with the train system- despite all the complaints here, once you've bought a ticket, it's valid for 2 or 3 hours or a day, on all trams, trains and buses.
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Old March 1st, 2010, 11:04 AM   #184
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my visit starts in the middle of this July! Ive been waiting for 5 years for this!

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Just let us know what you want to see - we'll be happy to answer any questions.

The City Circle tram might be good for you as well. It's free and goes around the outside of the CBD. It's really just a tourist thing - it's slow and old and doesn't really work for commuters as there's a train doing the exact same line below the ground. But it gives you a good idea of the city; where things are etc. Some nice scenery too
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Old March 1st, 2010, 05:43 PM   #185
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Melbourne will always give you a surprise with it's trams ...







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Old March 2nd, 2010, 02:36 PM   #186
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Old April 10th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #187
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With the changeover to a new operator (KDR Melbourne), Melbourne's "Yarra Trams" have acquired a new livery. On the right, the older paint-scheme, while the two trams on the left show the new scheme:



This is Collins Street, with the main regional railway station- Southern Cross- under the wavy roof in the background.

An older B-Class tram in the new livery, which makes the doors (and the tram) more obvious: the B-Class were the first articulated tram here, manufactured locally.



A Citadis C-class outside the "Gothic Bank", a couple of blocks further down Collins Street:



After doing a ninety-degree turn: into Swanston Street. The C-Class trams are now crossing the street: one on the left.



Swanston Street is allegedly the busiest tram route in the world. If you look through the late afternoon autumn haze (or smog: seems to remember that night the sun was fiery red long before dusk from "controlled bushfires" to the west) there are heaps of trams up there: including a Siemens articulated D1 Class (3522) & older unarticulated A & Z Class trams.

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Old April 13th, 2010, 04:46 AM   #188
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Just let us know what you want to see - we'll be happy to answer any questions.

The City Circle tram might be good for you as well. It's free and goes around the outside of the CBD. It's really just a tourist thing - it's slow and old and doesn't really work for commuters as there's a train doing the exact same line below the ground. But it gives you a good idea of the city; where things are etc. Some nice scenery too
thanks...I still need to get a good sense of where to stay in Melbourne. I'll be there for a week and Im also planning some outside day trips.

Right now I am thinking 1 day each to the NE, SE, NW & SW, then 3 days in the city.

What kind of weather can I expect and are there any construction projects I should watch out for in the 3rd week of July?

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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:45 AM   #189
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thanks...I still need to get a good sense of where to stay in Melbourne. I'll be there for a week and Im also planning some outside day trips.

Right now I am thinking 1 day each to the NE, SE, NW & SW, then 3 days in the city.

What kind of weather can I expect and are there any construction projects I should watch out for in the 3rd week of July?

Cheers, m
Just stay on the CBD or Southbank and do your trips from there. Visit the info centre at Federation Square to find out what you need for all your day trips. it has everything you'll need.

The end of July is the middle of winter so expect overcast days with 12-15 degree temps. It'll be cool, but not the frost bitten cold you're accustomed to.
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thanks...I still need to get a good sense of where to stay in Melbourne. I'll be there for a week and Im also planning some outside day trips.

Right now I am thinking 1 day each to the NE, SE, NW & SW, then 3 days in the city.

What kind of weather can I expect and are there any construction projects I should watch out for in the 3rd week of July?

Cheers, m
If you want to go out of town, assuming you are talking about using public transport could I suggest:
  • SW: rail to Geelong then bus along the Great Ocean Road, either returning from Apollo Bay, or proceeding on pas the 12 Apostles to Warnambool & back by rail (2nd option only available some days, bus stops at tourist highlights). Private tour buses also do this.
  • NW: Bendigo/ Echuca
  • NE: Albury/Wodonga (if it's running)
  • SE: go west instead, to Ballarat

Some photos from the 96 tram route: St. Kilda-city-East Brunswick:

Outside Southern Cross Station:



In the middle of town:



The tram/ light rail route runs along a converted railway line to the beach at St. Kilda. South Melbourne station:



Approaching the terminus at St. Kilda:



Different line, but not to be missed: the terminus at Melbourne University:

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Old May 29th, 2010, 02:10 AM   #191
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A few shots of Melbourne's trams for those with limited bandwidth but good eyes:

Flinders Street Station: this is where all the action is:

Flinders street runs East-West through here, beside the station:



And Swanston Street, allegedly the busiest tram route in the world, crosses it, running north south:







One block- 10 chains- 200 metres- up the road is Collins Street, also heavily trafficed by trams. Various routes use different types of vehicles: you're more likely to see these "B" class trams here.

Before and after shots: the city is being equipped with raised platforms with shelters and electronic signage.



Most Collins Street services run to St. Vincent's Plaza: this is a double junction where some services terminate.



The Swanston street trams mostly terminate at Melbourne University:



The City Circle route uses heritage "W" class trams: travelling on this service is free.

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Old May 29th, 2010, 03:36 PM   #192
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Really great pictures, but I've got a few questions about the system that hopefully someone can answer.

How much of the Melbourne tram network is segregated and how much runs in traffic?

How far out of the city centre does the longest line go?

Were any tram lines lost in the period when other cities ripped up their networks or is the network essentially the same as it was in its peak?
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Old May 30th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #193
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Really great pictures, but I've got a few questions about the system that hopefully someone can answer.

How much of the Melbourne tram network is segregated and how much runs in traffic?
some of the network is segregated. Melbourne has fairly wide main thoroughfares generally, and in a few cases the trams run down their own dedicated tracks in the median strip, in a few instances under their own avenue of trees. My local route runs on an easement entirely of its own for a couple of km or so, and a notable off-street route is through Royal Park past the Zoo.

There are also two lines which are converted railway lines- "the Light Rail"- which manage to get up a bit of speed.

I'd guess at most 15% of the network is on its own easements (inc. those separated from other traffic by barriers in the middle of a road).

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How far out of the city centre does the longest line go?

The longest lines are:
  • 22 km to Vermont South
  • 19.5 km to Bundoora

Route-length in each case is somewhat longer, since tram routes typically start at somewhere busy in the inner suburbs, run through the city then out to the middle or outer suburbs on the opposite side. Very few services actually terminate ion the CBD.

Most routes would be more like half that length: maybe a bit more on average.

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Were any tram lines lost in the period when other cities ripped up their networks or is the network essentially the same as it was in its peak?
Some were, but only a very small proportion (I could list them). Most notably, the tramways commissioner of the times embarked on a project of setting the lines in concrete (which you can see in the photos above!).

The central CBD used to have 5 east-west routes; now it only has 4 (the fifth was never converted from cable to electric). Probably just as well, since this is the only street that now carries lots of cars and buses.

This has been more than offset by tramway extensions that have occured from the 1980's on: off the top of my head, I can think of
  • 5 extensions in the inner city (e.g. in the new "Docklands" area)
  • 4 extensions out in the suburbs (including the 2 long lines just cited)
  • 2 conversions from heavy-rail to light-rail/tram

I'd guess there's more route length now than there ever was.

Some of the photos are in this thread- somewhat larger- further back. I was experimenting with miniatures, & thought I'd try them out here ...

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Some more little photos of Melbourne's Tram network.

Firstly, that north-south axis (allegedly the busiest in the world):

At Flinders Street Station (crossing the River Yarra over Princes Bridge):



Domain Interchange, about 3km south: Left: platform 3, right: platform 1.



Opposite direction: towards Melbourne & RMIT Universities:



The Uni terminus was previously covered: quite a site, with 9 sets of points.

Next, a trip around the City circle, which we can all have for free:

At Flinders Street station:



This is a rather long station, so the next stop is outside the station too. The Elizibeth Street services fron the North-West suburbs terminate here.



Further down Flinders Street: the City Circle tram has a recorded commentary running, which will point out the Immigration Museum (former Customs House) and the Rialto along here; this building is now complete, but rose on the site of our former glorious fish market: we cross two tramlines, both hugging the Casino: one leads to St. Kilda and Port Melbourne, the other to Domain Interchange.



Around the bend, it's a totally different landscape: Docklands.



The "City Circle" has been modified a couple of times since it was implemented in the 1990's: first to "Harbour Esplanade" (formerly Cowper Street) and then to "Docklands Drive" (formerly Dudley Street). I must say the thing that mostly struck me about the former Cowper Street was all the broken glass in the windows on the left, & all the barbed wire around the docks on the right: things have changed for the better.



Your free trip around the Melbourne CBD by tram is an interesting one ... apart from the all the historic buildings it passes (and a few shopping centres!) in the 6 km or so of the journey, you encounter 16 junctions or crossovers with other tramlines ... the route back is by Latrobe Street, on top of the City Underground.

Takes you past the Royal Mint, the State Library, the Royal Exhibition Buildings, Parliament, the Princess Theatre, The Windsor Hotel, The Treasury Buildiing, The Old Melbourne Gaol, a few gardens of renown, and even the former offices of the Rupert Murdoch's Herald & Weekly Times ... all in thosw "[email protected]" class trams so prized outside this nation ...


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I remember,that 2 of Mulhouse's trams were lent to Buenos Aires (probably till the moment they finish completing their first light rail line (of course with new rolling stock).And my question is:could you tell me if that tram on the photo put above is on of those two,which were later sent to the capital of Argentina?
I can´t answer you that. The line has not progressed since; it is currently being operated with a tram leased from Madrid.
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Just stay on the CBD or Southbank and do your trips from there. Visit the info centre at Federation Square to find out what you need for all your day trips. it has everything you'll need.

The end of July is the middle of winter so expect overcast days with 12-15 degree temps. It'll be cool, but not the frost bitten cold you're accustomed to.
Dean - thanks for the information - I have already started looking for some places to stay.
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If you want to go out of town, assuming you are talking about using public transport could I suggest:
  • SW: rail to Geelong then bus along the Great Ocean Road, either returning from Apollo Bay, or proceeding on pas the 12 Apostles to Warnambool & back by rail (2nd option only available some days, bus stops at tourist highlights). Private tour buses also do this.
  • NW: Bendigo/ Echuca
  • NE: Albury/Wodonga (if it's running)
  • SE: go west instead, to Ballarat
Thanks for the information. Im thinking that, since my flight from Perth arrives at 7am, we will probably go west to Ballarat immediately, stay there overnight, then travel to the Ocean Road the next day (or vice versa) - so I guess we will probably rent a car for the first 2-3 days. After that, I definitely want to take the trains NE.

Also, what about the puffing billy. Does it still run in winter?

TQ everyone for the info.

Cheers, m
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Dean - thanks for the information - I have already started looking for some places to stay.
Thanks for the information. Im thinking that, since my flight from Perth arrives at 7am, we will probably go west to Ballarat immediately, stay there overnight, then travel to the Ocean Road the next day (or vice versa) - so I guess we will probably rent a car for the first 2-3 days. After that, I definitely want to take the trains NE.

Also, what about the puffing billy. Does it still run in winter?

TQ everyone for the info.

Cheers, m
Pufing Billy pretty much runs every day of the year ... google it & you'll find their timetable. If you're keen for rail travel, think about going right through to Gembrook. Lots of extra tressle bridges, & by then the volunteer staff will probably provide you with with free soup ...

Re. Ballarat: although there's a rail line from there to Geelong, there's only a passenger bus service. Another option is the "Great Southern Touring route" (Melbourne-Ballarat-Ararat- Grampians- Warnambool - Great Ocean Road- Geelong-Melbourne). There are tour buses which do this circuit all the time, but of course they don't use the trains. V/Line runs a service Melbourne-Ballarat-Ararat-Grampians, & Warnambool-Great Ocean Road (or direct to0 Geelong - Melbourne; the gap between Grampians (or Ararat) to warnambool is operated by Christian's Bus service, under State Government funding: the timetable is hard to find, but it is there!

Shots from the bus:





Timetables (may require updating): it's the P269 & P270 services you won't find on the regular timetables. The return service from Warnambool via V/Line's SW services along the Ocean Road appear on separate tables).





Not really tram stuff ...

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Old October 20th, 2010, 03:22 AM   #198
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New trams from Bombardier. They are to be built at their Melbourne production facility.

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official pics from DOT website.
http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/web2...6?OpenDocument





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They look great, but I'm not so sue about that bright lime-yellow on the doors.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 05:21 AM   #200
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thanks to its trams, Melbourne is the only city in Australia that I would like to visit

from far it seems Melbourne has a strong identity and it's due to its trams

I hope heritage tram will keep working for ever
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