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Old September 13th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #81
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Here's a look inside one of Melbourne's Citadis trams. Things to note are the ticketing machine and validators:

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Old September 18th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #82
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For those who don't understand the local lingo, the guy in the brown jacket on the right is a "Validator" ...
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Old September 25th, 2007, 01:35 PM   #83
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From yesterday - a rare occurence on Melbourne's streets.

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A tram driver was critically hurt and 11 passengers were taken to hospital after a collision between two trams and a car on one of Melbourne's busiest roads this morning.

Yarra Trams says up to 20 of the 25 people in the trams were injured, including the driver of the tram that slammed into the rear of another, causing major damage to both vehicles.

The front of the rear tram was smashed in. An ambulance spokeswoman said the driver suffered spinal injuries and cuts to his face and upper body.

He was taken to The Alfred hospital where his condition had improved from critical to stable early this afternoon.

Paramedics assessed a total of 20 people at the scene. Eleven of these were taken to hospital for injuries including cuts, bruises and fractures.

Three were taken to The Alfred hospital, four to St Vincent's Hospital and four to Royal Melbourne Hospital.

The collision occurred on St Kilda Road, near the corner of Leopold Street, just after 10am.

Yarra Trams spokesman Colin Tyrus said a number 6 tram from Glen Iris ran into the rear of a number 72 service from Camberwell.

Both were three-module Siemens Combino low-floor trams bound for Melbourne University.

"They're quite severely damaged,'' Mr Tyrus said. "There's broken glass all over the road."

Mr Tyrus said the driver of the rear tram was trapped in his cabin before being freed by paramedics.

He said it was not yet known how fast the trams had been travelling at the time of the collision.

"It's too early to entertain speculation that speed was a contributing factor. We'll wait for the facts," he said.

Mr Tyrus said every tram was fitted with a data recorder, which would allow investigators to determine the exact speed at which it was travelling at any point on its journey.

"That data will form part of the investigation," he said.

He said Yarra Trams would conduct its own investigation. It would also commission external crash investigators to conduct an independent probe of the crash.

Victoria Police and the Department of Infrastructure are also investigating the collision.

"We can determine the exact speed a tram was doing at any point along its journey up to the point of the collision."

Tram services are now returning to normal after both trams were driven to depots in Malvern and Southbank for assessment and repairs.

Mr Tyrus said the damage bill could run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

He said older models of trams would be brought into replace the damaged trams for the afternoon peak.

"The fleet for the peak will be at or near normal," he said.

He said the injured driver had undergone tests to determine the severity of his head injuries and had been able to speak to doctors and family.

Police are appealing for any passengers who were on the trams and left before officers arrived to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Meanwhile, the union representing paramedics has criticised the Metropolitan Ambulance Service for using private contractors to transport two of the injured to hospital.

The general secretary of the Ambulance Employees Association, Steve McGhie said he was "very concerned'' about the move.

"We believe they should have had enough ambulance resources, emergency resources, to respond to an incident with nine patients being transported,'' he said.

"We've been raising concerns with both the ambulance service and the government for several months now about the resourcing issues.''

"If this is the way you're going to move in the future, it's a watering down of the ambulance system and the Victorian community should be concerned about that.''

But MAS operations manager Paul Holman said the service used contractors to keep emergency vehicles free for more seriously injured people.

"It has nothing to do with a lack of ambulances,'' Mr Holman said. "It's part of a pre-determined emergency response plan ... today it has worked like clockwork.''

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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:43 AM   #84
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raising some questions about privatization there...

hmmm...those of you in melbourne, how do you feel about the public transportation being privatized?

In Toronto's case, everything is under government control...which in typical in much of North America (with a few exceptions)...whereas other parts of the world see a lot of privatization.

Here in Malaysia, they are slowly moving away from privatization as the government operators (e.g. RapidKL, RapidPenang) and asset owner (Prasarana) are government-owned companies. The national railway may return to government control in a few years....

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Old September 30th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #85
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if you ask me, it's a bit of a joke. In fact, more than a joke.

[*]The PT system hasn't been truly privatised, only it's operations have: and the basic infrastructure has remained a state responsibility.

In this country, we a have a quaint tradition: we sometimes throw out the Government, and elect a new one of the opposite persuasion, even if they actually really only do much the same thing.

So it wasn't the present Government that "privatised" the "public transport" system here: it was its predecessor, the Kennett Government.

I'll give you a few examples of why I think this arrangement is a joke:
  • the Government still essentially funds all major developments in the system, and is held to account if they're not completed on time
  • a major private partner (National Express) who was running three of the five major components of the PT system here in Victoria just managed to walk out of the contracts where it was supposedly going to deliver us better service
  • whenever there are service delivery problems, the Opposition blames the Government, the Government blames the private provider, and the public and the media blames one or the other, depending upon their political persuasion. The provider blames the Government of the day.
  • the public still expects "public transport", and looks to the Government to provide that.

That said, the tram system has run pretty well, leaving aside the demise of M/Tram ....
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Old October 1st, 2007, 04:53 PM   #86
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In theory, there's nothing wrong with the concept, but there's just too much buck passing going on.

The fact that most of the general public are generally quite misinformed about how things work doesn't help and the media often only makes things worse. For example, Connex aren't responsible for most of the things the public blames them for. The most significant cause of cancellation are usually things which are unpreventable by the transport authorities - suicides, other accidents (someone was dumb enough to get taken out by the side mirror on a moving train recently) and major vandalism (attempted copper wire theft) tend to cause lengthy delays.

It's also worth keeping in mind that before privatisation, things were even worse. There were massive strikes, and trains were even less on time with even higher cancellation rates. Vandalism was also a big problem - today you will hardly ever see graffiti on a train which isn't at least smudged out (to be properly cleaned later). It's just that back then, all the statistics weren't regularly reported and displayed. I also believe that the automated announcement system hasn't been around for all that long - people probably notice more when the voice on the PA tells them the moment a train comes late or gets cancelled. No announcement for cancelled trams, but there are now LCD screens installed at various stops which has the same effect.

Splitting the tram and train networks into two were just stupid though. Okay, Japan Railways managed to pull it off well somehow but it was just pointless in Melbourne.
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Old October 25th, 2007, 04:19 AM   #87
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Here you can see a bit of Melbourne's PT (metlink) sinage. Blue for trains, green for trams and orange for buses.

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Old November 17th, 2007, 12:27 AM   #88
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A pic of the Colonial Tramcar Restaurant.

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Old December 23rd, 2007, 03:48 AM   #89
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The problem with trams is that if there's an obstruction ahead they have trouble getting around it. This is an obstruction:

Tram meets car....

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This shot shows the Melbourne University tram terminus - the largest in Melbourne:

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Here you can see the interior of a D1 combino.

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Good photos Gappa, thanks mate.
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Here you can see the interior of a D1 combino.
Someone wrote to the MX complaining about the "lack of rails to grab onto in those new trams". No idea how that could become a problem, both models are pretty generous.
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Old February 5th, 2008, 04:29 PM   #95
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This here is St Kilda station tram stop. It was the terminating station for the old heavy rail line, which has now been converted to light rail. The trams continue on the street from here.

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From The Age:

State to lease French trams
February 7, 2008 - 3:45PM

Victoria will lease five new trams from France in an effort to ease the pressure on Melbourne's public transport system.

The first low-floor tram is due to arrive in Melbourne by ship next week, and all five are expected to be running by September.

Public Transport Minister Lynne Kosky said the trams would be leased until December 2011, ahead of the Government's tram procurement program in 2010-2011.

"While patronage growth on trams remained relatively steady at 3% over the past decade, it climbed to 5.3% in the 12 months to September last year," Ms Kosky said.

"When the rare opportunity to lease these trams arose, we acted quickly to secure them."

The five trams will be leased from the town of Mulhouse in France by Yarra Trams through its French shareholder Transdev, which operates Mulhouse's tram network.

The new trams, which can carry up to 240 passengers, will run on route 96 (East Brunswick-St Kilda Beach), allowing other trams on that route to be reallocated to other lines, increasing capacity across the network.

The trams are equivalent in size to the longest trams now running in Melbourne.

"During peak hour these five new trams will be able to carry up to 1,200 people which is equivalent to taking more than 1000 cars off Melbourne's roads," Ms Kosky said.

Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder said the government had taken too long to boost the tram fleet.

''(Premier) John Brumby has sat on his hands and failed off Labor's own bat to order any further new trams for almost nine years,'' Mr Mulder said.
Mr Mulder said 280 of Melbourne's 487 trams lacked airconditioning and more than 390 did not provide easy access for seniors or disabled people.
"Labor has an $842 million surplus. Why has it failed to renew the tram fleet for so long?," he asked.

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New trams delayed already
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February 16, 2008

Melbourne's new hi-tech trams have been delayed before they've even hit the tracks - by a few leaves from a French tree.

The five low-floor trams were due to be unloaded from a container ship at the Port of Melbourne this morning.

However, customs officers delayed the unloading after discovering leaves on the roof of one of the trams. The leaves have now been incinerated.

They are likely to release the precious cargo this afternoon.

Yarra Trams expects the new trams to run on the 96 route from May.The five trams will be leased from the town of Mulhouse in France by Yarra Trams through its French shareholder Transdev.

Public Transport Minister Lynne Kosky said the trams would be leased until December 2011, ahead of the Government's tram procurement program in 2010-2011.

The new trams can carry up to 240 passengers, will run on route 96 (East Brunswick-St Kilda Beach), allowing other trams on that route to be reallocated to other lines, increasing capacity across the network.

The trams are equivalent in size to the longest trams now running in Melbourne.

"During peak hour these five new trams will be able to carry up to 1,200 people which is equivalent to taking more than 1000 cars off Melbourne's roads," Ms Kosky said.

Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder said the government had taken too long to boost the tram fleet.

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raising some questions about privatization there...

hmmm...those of you in melbourne, how do you feel about the public transportation being privatized?
The problem with doing that to essential public services is that if the company running them goes bankrupt (as did happen in Melbourne). The governement has to bail them out or lose the system entirely. The reason you privatise something is so that while the government loses the profits, they are also supposed to lose the risk. In the case of essential services, they lose the profits but retain the risk.
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However, customs officers delayed the unloading after discovering leaves on the roof of one of the trams. The leaves have now been incinerated.
(I just had a flashback to the security in our country USA )
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Very nice city views!
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