South East London Projects

[Officer Dibble]

Marine Wharf - phase one (Sirius House) probably only a few months away from external completion. Some prep going on elsewhere on the site, but it doesn't looks as if the next phase (Cadmus Court) is properly underway yet.

[Officer Dibble]

Barratt's update on final phase of Maple Quays at Canada Water.



Not sure why that pic isn't working. Text reads:

SITE A3

The scaffold on the first two blocks is programmed to start coming down in November.
External works alongside the London Underground escape route and the Pump House entrance will commence in January.

SITE A4

The reinforced concrete frame is now complete. This was celebrated with topping out ceremonies held with the local councillors as well as Albion Primary School.
The external cladding is now at Level 18 and the internal finishings have progressed to Level 14.

[Irish Blood English Heart]

Does anyone know the construction cost of Maple Quays, how many flats it will hold & the average price of those flats?

[cybertect]

Maple Quays from Butlers Wharf yesterday

[Officer Dibble]

Great photo. The tower looks a bit squat from there - an extra 5-10 storeys wouldn't have hurt...

Originally Posted by Irish Blood English Heart

Does anyone know the construction cost of Maple Quays, how many flats it will hold & the average price of those flats?

I think the whole development has about 900 flats. Don't know average price for private sale, but at a very rough guess it's been in the £300-£350k range. But then around a third (I think) of the 900 are "affordable" housing. Not sure how that would affect the average (if at all) - do housing associations buy at a discount? And are the HA homes larger on average, as more aimed at families? Maybe it balances out.

Add a few million more for the retail units (the Montreal House ones sold for £2.25m) and my stab in the dark is around £300m total.

I know nothing about the construction cost.

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Meanwhile, I see the new pedestrian/cycling bridge over Rotherhithe New Road has turned up. Now just give us one across the river please...

http://www.se16.com/744-rotherhithe-new-road-bridge

[Officer Dibble]

Minutes of September meeting of Canada Water Campaign are online (Word doc). There's a lot there - only very edited highlights (the bits of interest to me, anyway) below.

On the outline proposal for a new campus for KCL on the Harmsworth and Mulberry sites:

The 29,000m2 plan is to include residential accommodation for 2,000 students, high quality public spaces, multi-purpose teaching facilities, a 500 seat lecture theatre, library, sporting facilities with 25m pool, student union and learning support space.

The college will provide some staff accommodation and is in discussion with partners regarding the possibility of key worker housing.

Building heights are flexible but would be reasonable in scale, 15-30 stories.

[...] uncertain at this stage if all of the available area will be needed, so there may be some scope to develop social housing here.

[..] there were no proposals by King’s College to utilise the undeveloped space in Roberts Close.

King’s College envisage that approximately 700 permanent jobs will be created on the new campus, with an additional 1,500 jobs during construction.

It is estimated that the local economy would benefit from an additional £10m per annum in spending, particularly during the dormant daytime period, with easy access routes to surrounding areas incorporated into the development. [...]

Timeline: If LBS supports the application, Phase 1 should be complete during 2014

On the Decathlon and What sites (C and E):

[..] The development was focused on creating a new town centre, which would create a neighbourhood hub for the local community with a large public area, cafes, external seating and by re-edging the waterfront it would allow this to be incorporated into the overall design.

Decathlon had agreed to the concept of consolidating its two current sites into one building with 240 underground customer parking spaces, on top of which would be a 39 story residential accommodation tower.

The residential accommodation would be a car free scheme, with plans to extend the pedestrian and cycle networks to make the area easily accessible, linking it to Southwark Park and Russia Dock Woodlands.

In answer to questions about the need for such a high block, CH replied that by creating one large tower at the core of the development, it would free up more open spaces at ground level.

Following earlier consultations Sellers had now drawn up a 3rd draft plan, final consultation was expected to be completed next month, following which a detailed application would be made to LBS.

[..] an outline application for Site E would be submitted to LBS and would be available to view on the website.

[..] there has been some movement from their original vision/plans that if they were to go high rise (39storeys) then more space would be allocated below for public realm improvements, substantial green links, open green spaces and that Waitrose would be very welcomed in the area only if the stated 5,000sq ft was more like 30,000 sq ft [..]

[...]In response to a plea for architecturally pleasing buildings, JS confirmed that they had appointed the award winning David Chipperfield Architects and Vogt Landscape for this project. Their intention was to design a stunningly beautiful scheme with 3 central buildings at its core and pedestrian routes connecting to other parts of the community.

On Albion St:

[..]improvements to the street would include: developing the primary school to two-form entry, devising better routes to the ‘town centre’, improving the range & quality of retailers, relocation of the health centre.

[..]workshops had been run to consider ways of bringing the street back to life. Major concerns arising from these workshops had included the ease of connections to bus, tube & Rotherhithe Village [..] they would improve landscaping & signage in the street and look at the possibility of reviving the old street market.

Discussions were in hand to include the Norwegian staff accommodation block in the re development of the former [library] [...]

A planning application for a residential development probably of affordable housing with community / retail on the ground floor on the former [library] is likely to submitted in November/December. [...]

Site updates:

SQSC - Judicial review on going, awaiting court ruling
Harmsworth Quays – Lease assignment subject of on going dialogue
QWIE - Working to evict unauthorised churches, one has already been served notice to quit.
Docklands Settlement - [..] expected to be open for business in December 2013. [...]
Site A + A4 Tower - Nothing to report
Library/Plaza - [..] plaza as a market space was proving a challenge as windy.
Mast Leisure Centre – Nothing to report
Downtown - Nothing to report
Mulberry – Nothing to report
Seven Islands – Nothing to report

[Ciudad Bristol]

Why on earth is there a judicial review for the Surrey Quays Shopping Centre??

[derekhales]

Originally Posted by Ciudad Bristol

Why on earth is there a judicial review for the Surrey Quays Shopping Centre??

Gotta keep the self interested twattering professional classes in work.

[Rational Plan]

Originally Posted by Ciudad Bristol

Why on earth is there a judicial review for the Surrey Quays Shopping Centre??

I wonder if they appealed the refusal of extra parking

[Officer Dibble]

Maybe, or someone may have thought it was worth JRing the actual approval for the extension - I seem to remember it became clear that the planning committee granted permission despite some fairly strong reservations, though I can't now find evidence of that.

The plans are indeed weak in some ways - esp in doing nothing to improve the BHS side of the mall, which shows a low-rise, blank face to the lake. That's the side that could most obviously support an active frontage with cafés etc. Still, the plans are better than nothing, so I hope the JR is dispensed with quickly. I struggle to see what's gained by making planning decisions JRable.

[SELondoner]

Positive words on Rotherhithe in the Standard property bit tonight:

[joshbc]

Excellent, Thanks for the remark...

[Rational Plan]

Originally Posted by seratin

Incredible pics of the construction process https://bitly.com/ZcX5pY

spam

[LDN_EUROPE]

Seratin, I'm going to turn your name round and call you "nit arse".

[cybertect]

Maple Quays from Butlers Wharf today

[Officer Dibble]

Outline planning application for sites C & E at Canada Water (Decathlon & What) seems to be in, but no documents online yet:
http://planningonline.southwark.gov....temkey=9548016

[SELondoner]

Originally Posted by Officer Dibble

Outline planning application for sites C & E at Canada Water (Decathlon & What) seems to be in, but no documents online yet:
http://planningonline.southwark.gov....temkey=9548016

Well spotted - I've been keeping an eye out for that too, shame there are no supporting documents online yet. I see they've gone for max height of 150m - they were talking about 140m at the exhibition so a slight increase. But I also see it's outline only; before they were taking about a hybrid application, detailed for the first phase and outline for the remainder. I wonder if another application will follow shortly for the first phase, or if they've changed their strategy a bit to get outline in the bag before working up a detailed application?

[Officer Dibble]

I wonder if the response to the consultation prompted them to proceed with caution...

Elsewhere in Rotherhithe, meanwhile, piling is underway at the Downtown Settlement:



And Marine Wharf is coming along - Sirius House is unwrapped, awaiting balconies on the Plough Road side. The rusty metal cladding looks great I think. And there's a second tower crane up, so I imagine Cadmus House will start rising some time in 2013.

[LDN_EUROPE]

@Officer Fibble - 106 agreements mean that developers need to reserve a certain number of homes for affordable so yes, in a way, the other properties are subsidising them. Housing Association properties do have have minimum size standards too, larger than usual market price properties. These size standards comply with something called, "Decent Homes".

[Officer Dibble]

Sorry, I'm don't know which of my posts you're replying to.

It sounds like something from the social housing policy thread, where I've often argued that S106 agreements and the so-called affordable homes policy are counter-productive; I've supported minimum space standards for social housing (including HAs) but opposed them for properties built for the open market.

But I can't see where these issues have come up on this thread - at least not recently.

EDIT: Oh wait, you probably meant this, where I was trying to help Irish Blood English Heart, who wanted to know the average value of Maple Quays flats.

Originally Posted by Officer Dibble

I think the whole development has about 900 flats. Don't know average price for private sale, but at a very rough guess it's been in the £300-£350k range. But then around a third (I think) of the 900 are "affordable" housing. Not sure how that would affect the average (if at all) - do housing associations buy at a discount? And are the HA homes larger on average, as more aimed at families? Maybe it balances out.

Add a few million more for the retail units (the Montreal House ones sold for £2.25m) and my stab in the dark is around £300m total.

You're more or less confirming my hunch that the larger home sizes in the "affordable" part of the development might approximately cancel out the fact that HAs will buy at a bit of a discount - so my average isn't a bad guess.