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Old May 24th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #2141
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Thank you for the info & photos Minato!

So we have Lines 3 & 4 (& 14 northbound) with male voice announcements & Lines 1, 2, (possibly 5), & 13 (& 14 southbound) with female voice announcements.

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I thought I was crazy at first, but upon further examination, I realized that all of the southbound departure time signage are listed as "Montrouge" being the terminus and "Porte d' Orleans" covers over until the Montrouge station opens. That is pretty neat I must say.
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Old May 24th, 2011, 11:49 PM   #2142
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Hmm...those new trains look nice, but the design isn't really contemporary - especially the front of the train and the pale blue color of the interior give it more of an early 90's look...or is this the French design approach: don't follow the crowd; just go your own way?
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Old May 25th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #2143
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The trains were developed in 1989, hence MP 89. They went into service on Line 1 in 1995 to replace the MP 59.

And the color is a teal, not really blue. It is to reflect the RATP livery, which was released in 1993/94.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 12:59 AM   #2144
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Long overdue update to the rolling stock of one of Paris' busiest lines.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 01:03 AM   #2145
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As said HARTride This train is not new, it comes from line 1.
Line 1 will be driverless and its trains (MP89 CC, built in end of the 1990's) will be transferred to line 4.




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Long overdue update to the rolling stock of one of Paris' busiest lines.
True, the MP59 are too old.
Anyway this train will be the only MP89 running on the line 4 for several months.

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With all these delays on Line 1, does the chance increase that MP 59s could still be on Line 4 when Montrouge station opens in 2012?
We are most likely to see some MP59 running when Mairie de Montrouge will open on December 31, 2012.
I don't joke this is the real opening date.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #2146
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The trains were developed in 1989, hence MP 89. They went into service on Line 1 in 1995 to replace the MP 59.

And the color is a teal, not really blue. It is to reflect the RATP livery, which was released in 1993/94.
Ah! Well, that explains a lot then!

The window stickers are a bit confusing then, though...
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Old May 25th, 2011, 04:04 PM   #2147
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As said HARTride This train is not new, it comes from line 1.
Line 1 will be driverless and its trains (MP89 CC, built in end of the 1990's) will be transferred to line 4.





True, the MP59 are too old.
Anyway this train will be the only MP89 running on the line 4 for several months.



We are most likely to see some MP59 running when Mairie de Montrouge will open on December 31, 2012.
I don't joke this is the real opening date.
Neat video find Minato! I am definitely looking forward to more video uploads by others in the coming weeks.

As far as the Montrouge situation, I will not be surprised if this is the case with the MP 59s. How many MF 67s are still on Line 2? I bet they still have a couple running to this day, even though they should all be gone months ago.

With that said, despite the delays on Line 1, I am still looking forward to the many upcoming changes. Perhaps by the time I make my rounds to Paris again, there will be many more MP 89CC stock on Line 4 and the MP 05 will have begun running on Line 1. I still wonder what is still to come for Line 4 as far as making the line automated. Is there any timeframe that the RATP has set up tentatively for this project? Or is it still in the funding/financial process?

With the information that have been given, I do not have to guess too much as to what happens with the MP 89CC should the automation project take place on Line 4. By the time all is said and done, I would suspect it will be into 2020 or so and the stock will be up for their mid-life refurbishment. Perhaps at that time, the RATP can give the interiors a more contemporary look and install autopilot systems to allow the automated systems to work.

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Old May 25th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #2148
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Awesome!, long life to 46arthurdu!
I hope he makes a video of the whole line 4 soon, I can't wait to watch it! hehehe.


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I just got a message from 46arthurdu and he is still waiting for more stock to arrive. Sadly though, I think he is unaware of the fact that there will only be one MP 89CC on Line 4 for several months.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #2149
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There already some "autopilot systems" in almost all the metro line (except line 3bis, 7bis and 10), it is called PA (pilotage automatique) by the RATP.
Internationaly we call it, ATO.

About the line 2, all the MF01 are delivered but there is still 2 MF67 trains running.
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Old May 25th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #2150
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That is good to know. Thank you.

What I really was getting at though, is the point where drivers would not be needed on Line 4. Since we have Lines 6 & 11 getting new stock based on the MF01, I would assume that when Line 4 does go automated, the MP 89CC will be refurbished and upgraded to accomodate the changes.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #2151
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Does the Metro put on any extra services for Roland Garos at all?
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Old May 26th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #2152
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Hi, can someone tell me about the red and white lines and arrows in the tunnels? There are allso some black and white markings - lines and "London underground logo" circels. What do they mean?
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Old May 26th, 2011, 06:53 PM   #2153
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The red and white shows the curve,
The black and white shows the change of electric section.
I don't know about the arrows.

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Does the Metro put on any extra services for Roland Garos at all?
No need to put any extra services the metro is enouth frequent to serve Roland Garros.
The lines 9 and 10 run close to Roland Garros.
The line 9 serve the Righ Bank and the line 10 serve the Left Bank.
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Here is the 'final' plan (apparently ) of the future Grand-Paris-Express network:

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And no interchange @ Rome for Line 14. Rubbish!
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Old May 27th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #2156
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The red and white shows the curve,
The black and white shows the change of electric section.
I don't know about the arrows.
Thanks! But why are curves marked with red and white? The driver should notice that when the train turnes...

Yesterday I saw that the Austerlitz bridge allso hade these red and white markings and most of it was on straigh sections.
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And no interchange @ Rome for Line 14. Rubbish!
Why ? Pont Cardinet is one minute away by bus (one stop) from Rome station and 2-3 minute walk away .. so IMHO, no need to add an interchange at Rome.
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It's not the matter of those 2 or 3 minutes walk but the possibility of free transfer between lines, not that particular station but lines 14 and 2.
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Yesterday I saw that the Austerlitz bridge allso hade these red and white markings and most of it was on straigh sections.
That's because these marking lay at the beginning or the end of the curve, but when the track is still straight. The "London underground" logos are directly in zone with reduced visibility.
Maybe it helps the driver to anticipate in the dark ?
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It's not the matter of those 2 or 3 minutes walk but the possibility of free transfer between lines, not that particular station but lines 14 and 2.
Oh ok.
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