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Old June 23rd, 2007, 03:26 AM   #201
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Yeah it's great! I couldn't stop looking at it...

It's interesting the way the lines are all connected and the abundance of loops! No stations appear to have cross-platform interchange though, am I right or have I just missed it?
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 11:44 AM   #202
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What did you call cross-platform interchange, two line on the same track ?
Paris metro doesn't have commun platform for two line.

The place between Denfert Rechereau look empty on the map, it is because This place is deserved by the RER B.

Orlyval and CDGval are lights metro for the two internationals airports of Paris.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 11:50 AM   #203
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What did you call cross-platform interchange, two line on the same track ?
Paris metro doesn't have commun platform for two line.
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or it's rather the same platform and not tracks?
this is the case at Luis Blanc station on line 7 and 7bis. it's the same platform when u change here from 7 to 7bis, only different platform sides
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 12:01 PM   #204
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@ minato ku, is that map for sale ?
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 12:06 PM   #205
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Actually yes and no, you can buy a similar map at scale but without color.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 12:09 PM   #206
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or it's rather the same platform and not tracks?
this is the case at Luis Blanc station on line 7 and 7bis. it's the same platform when u change here from 7 to 7bis, only different platform sides
It is the same at Gare de l'Est with the lines 5 and 7
Raspail : lines 4 and 6
Charles de Gaulle Etoile : lines 1 and 6
Jussieu : lines 7 and 10.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 12:11 PM   #207
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Actually yes and no, you can buy a similar map at scale but without color.
Where can I do that ?
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 01:38 PM   #208
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DeSnor, you should mail carto.metro @ gmail. com (without blanks), he is the author
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 02:55 PM   #209
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Great map there! Thanks for posting it.

Why not join up lines 2 and 6 and create a single continuous loop line around central Paris?
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 03:17 PM   #210
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That's good question, It was a lot of similar proposition, actually the line 6 is rubber tired and not the line 2.
One other problem it is that's the new train of the line 2 are in production.
The new train type of the line 6 are planned.

A other subway ring is planned in inner suburbs, it would links stations like La Defense, Boulogne, Mairie d'Issy, Chatillion Montrouge, Mairie d'Ivry, Vincennes ...
This traffic of this line is estimated at 1 million passengers per day.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 04:06 PM   #211
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^ Would this new subway ring line be metro or RER? Is it the one I've heard referred to as the "metroperipherique"? Would it be automated? Are there any other loop lines proposed for Paris, say further out in the suburbs?

Also, I see on the map that some existing metro lines are planned to be extended further out into the suburbs. Are there plans to do this on many of the lines or will the metro remain primarily for inner Paris?

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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:09 PM   #212
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^ Would this new subway ring line be metro or RER? Is it the one I've heard referred to as the "metroperipherique"? Would it be automated? Are there any other loop lines proposed for Paris, say further out in the suburbs?
Well, actually, the project now is more about 3 different lines than an actually loop. It should be 3 fully underground metro lines. However they are expected to be built in a very long time.

- The first one should serve the South-East from Val de Fontenay to Arcueil (opening planned in the early 2020's).
- The second one should serve the North from La Défense to Val de Fontenay via Saint-Denis (opening planned in the late 2020's).
- The third one should serve the South West between Arcueil and Saint-Cloud (opening time is unknown, later than 2030).

All this to say that we will all be too old to take the subway anymore when they will actually be there.

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Also, I see on the map that some existing metro lines are planned to be extended further out into the suburbs. Are there plans to do this on many of the lines or will the metro remain primarily for inner Paris?
There are few extensions which are planned here or there, but they are not part of an overall full masterplan. They are more there because of lobbying local citizens than because of a real wish from the region to improve the network efficiency. Many of these few extensions have been pushed back to after 2030 (Line 11 Eastbound, line 1 westbound and eastbound, line 12 southbound, line 5 southbound, etc...).

Apparently, the top priority for the region is considered to be the tramway, not RER/metro. Many new infrastructures which were initially planned to be metro lines extensions have been converted into tramway lines. For instance, the line 14 was initially planned to take the Villejuif line 7 branch and to be then extended to the Orly airport, but finally it's been decided that it will actually be a tramway line which will make the connection between Villejuif and the Orly Airport. Same is true for line 13 which was planned to be extended from Chatillon to Vélizy... this has been converted into a tramway line operating on the same section.

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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:26 PM   #213
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Very interesting map - thanks for posting it.

Question: I know that the dotted lines represent new construction that extends existing lines, but why are there dotted lines at Les Halles station (Line 4)? Is the station being moved or expanded?

Thanks.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:38 PM   #214
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Very interesting map - thanks for posting it.

Question: I know that the dotted lines represent new construction that extends existing lines, but why are there dotted lines at Les Halles station (Line 4)? Is the station being moved or expanded?
The dotted lines show the initial Les Halles station. It has been destroyed at the construction of the RER A/B station in the 70's to offer a quicker connection. The dotted lines near Porte de Versailles also show an initial station that has been destroyed when the line has been extended south in the 30's.

The stations which still exist but aren't anymore used are shown white and circled with the color of there former lines. It's the case for instance of Porte Maillot (line 1), Martin Nadaud (line 3), Arsenal (line 5), Champs de Mars (line 8), Saint-Martin (line 8&9), Haxo (never used)...

Finally, most of the dotted lines don't show extensions actually under construction, but hypothetically planned extensions. The construction of many of them shouldn't start before 2030, if it would actually start one day.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 05:47 PM   #215
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@ Jean Luc : There will be a Métro ring line in the inner-suburbs, but as of today the RATP (the Métro operator) and the Regional Council have not yet come to an agreement. The RATP's project is called Métrophérique, and receives support from local authorities, whereas the Regional Council proposal is called Arc Express. We don't know much more, as both are still under consideration.

There should be another ring line further out in the suburbs, but this time not Métro but more likely RER or either LRT (tram-train??). In the northern and western parts the route is already known, as the line will follow the railway ring road that circles Paris which nowadays only serve for freight transit. Moreover a bit of the western part is already in service under the name Grande Ceinture Ouest. The northern part (or Tangentielle Nord) is due to be fully open to service in 2014-2016 (works should start in 2009). For the southern and eastern parts, the route is still under consideration from the RFF (French Railways Authority).

The 3 proposals (in blue RATP's Métrophérique, in yellow Région's Arc Express, in red RFF's Tangentielle) :



edit : Metropolitan has been quicker.

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Old June 23rd, 2007, 06:10 PM   #216
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Indeed Juanico, thanks for this quick and clear summary. However, I must confess that you're very optimistic for the opening dates. Apparently, the first line to open is planned to be the South-East line, and this only after 2020. According to my latest news, Arc-Express has been renamed LSE standing for "Liaison Souterraine Express" (Express Underground Link).

A noticeable diffference though is that the Métrophérique (RATP project supported by local councils) is closer to the center of Paris than Arc Express/LSE lines are. I guess probably it costs less to build it further away than to build it more in the core of the urban area.

It seems that everything is made by the region to promote the cheapest/crappiest solutions : Metro lines extensions are replaced by tramway lines, everything is planned to be actually built on several decades, many projects are even pushed back to after 2030 if they are not cancelled.
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Old June 23rd, 2007, 10:56 PM   #217
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What did you call cross-platform interchange, two line on the same track ?
Paris metro doesn't have commun platform for two line.

The place between Denfert Rechereau look empty on the map, it is because This place is deserved by the RER B.

Orlyval and CDGval are lights metro for the two internationals airports of Paris.
When there are two lines sharing the platforms in both directions...
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Old June 25th, 2007, 09:20 PM   #218
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Olympiade


A new station was inaugurated today.
After several years of delay the ninth station of the line 14 has opened the March 25, 2007. This station deserve the main chinatown of Paris, the universite Paris tolbiac.


Today Paris metro has 298 named stations or 370 stations.
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Old June 25th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #219
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This is the news system of information "SIEL" on RATP RER



RER A exept the branch of Poissy and the branch of Cergy owned by Transillien Sncf
RER B exept the northern part after Gare du Nord wich was owned by Transillien Sncf
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Old June 26th, 2007, 01:52 AM   #220
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A new station was inaugurated today.
After several years of delay the ninth station of the line 14 has opened the March 25, 2007. This station deserve the main chinatown of Paris, the universite Paris tolbiac.


Today Paris metro has 298 named stations or 370 stations.
Do you have anymore pics of this new station?
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