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Old May 28th, 2011, 09:32 AM   #2181
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Well, no need to add a station. As a matter of fact, they simply need to add an underground corridor equipped with moving walkways in order to connect the Ligne 14 at Pont Cardinet with the Ligne 2 at Rome (which would be much less expensive than adding a station).

The distance between Rome & Pont Cardinet is about 700 m (minus the station's length if the rear of the new station is between the two), which is quite comparable with the existing underground connection between La Chapelle & Gare du Nord stations for example (approx. 500 m).
There is 800m between Pont Cardinet and Rome (I know those places very well, I have a flat just between both ; by the way, Rome or Pont Cardinet, personnaly, I don't care : it's not an selfish point of view ), against 400m between La Chapelle and Gare du Nord (as you know because you lived in Paris [sorry, I didn't realize it before]), RER have long platforms ; in "Paris - Nord", their ends are just under rue Demarquay)

And you really think the STIF will choose to create and pay a new tunnel for a moving walkways between Rome & Pont Cardinet after a decision not to create a station beacause of its expense ???

I agree with Minato, I said it before : both stations are really usefull. I hope at least a preservation for a simpler add later...

I hope so, but I'm sure this won't. After all, the STIF decided to create "rubber-tram" incompatible with pre-existing trams.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 11:17 AM   #2182
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Hugues75 is right. The transfer rate at Place de Clichy between line 2 and 13 is very important (I would say at least 40% of the people transfer at that point). If the purpose of the extension of line 14 is to unload some of line 13 overcharge, then the interchange at Rome is more than relevant.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 01:12 PM   #2183
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Much more than 40%, the interchange is largely over 60% of the people who use Place de Clichy station.
The crowded train of the line 2 almost become empty after Place de Clichy in the direction of Place Dauphine.
It is one of busiest transfer stations between two lines in Paris metro.

If they want to reduce the overcrowding of the northern line 13, it is necessary to have a transfer between the line 2 and 14.

I was already upset to see the line 14 would serve Rome instead of Place de Clichy.
Place de Clichy is a very busy hub and the line 14 would increase the size and create a new hall to ease the transfer.
If the line 14 don't even have an interchange with the line 2, it is worse.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #2184
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Ditto.

I'm thinking, it you don't have an interchange between two busy lines, then why extend the line at all? Big waste of time, planning, and money.

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Old May 28th, 2011, 07:50 PM   #2185
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The expansion project for Paris look impressive. I just don't like its dictatorial provisions aiming to "concentrate 95% of job growth" to places reachable on foot from rail stations. Employers should be free to open business wherever they see fit.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #2186
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Agreed. A business should not be forced to open up next to a subway station. This should be an option, a choice, not a mandate.
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Old May 28th, 2011, 10:25 PM   #2187
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The expansion project for Paris look impressive. I just don't like its dictatorial provisions aiming to "concentrate 95% of job growth" to places reachable on foot from rail stations. Employers should be free to open business wherever they see fit.
It's called planning. They did not mean 95% of jobs to reachable by train from just these new stations, but by all stations. Considering the considerable number of existing stations Paris has and these new stations, I doubt that there is a significant business cluster that won't be served by Rail.

If you have that sort of coverage there should be no hardship if no office sprawl is allowed to clutter Autoroute junctions.
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Old May 29th, 2011, 12:23 AM   #2188
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The expansion project for Paris look impressive. I just don't like its dictatorial provisions aiming to "concentrate 95% of job growth" to places reachable on foot from rail stations. Employers should be free to open business wherever they see fit.
Well I doubt employers are being 'forced' to locate near a train station. If you're a company in a region where a majority commute by train...you'd probably want to be located near a train station. This new rail system will make a lot more suburban areas reachable by train.
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Old May 29th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #2189
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Well I doubt employers are being 'forced' to locate near a train station. If you're a company in a region where a majority commute by train...you'd probably want to be located near a train station. This new rail system will make a lot more suburban areas reachable by train.
In that case I see no problem at all. However, I'm afraid they will expand the area of Paris subject to the heft payroll taxes to fund transit.

For tho who don't know: Workers in areas heavily dotted with Metro/RER stations in Paris are hit with a transit payroll tax that goes from 1,4% in the outer areas to 2,6% in the inner areas. It is an unacceptable, outrageous confiscation of salaries done by a transit agency (is not exactly RAPT, it has another name I forgot) to fund high-capacity transit systems in Île-de-France.

An usual tactic for companies employ high-paid staff (e.g., hedge funds) was to located themselves just on suburbs out of reach of this tax but yet close enough to allow a quick P+R downtown if needed. Now, with these massive new subway lines, they might want to charge other people to pay for it just because they work in the are that is served for transit, regardless of whether they actually use transit or drive.
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Old May 29th, 2011, 02:30 AM   #2190
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Not in Paris, entreprises are very attracted by public transportation.
If there are many companies in far off suburbs, it is because of the lack of supply in the central areas.

The areas with the highest concentration of companies that employ high-paid staff are QCA (west of Central Paris) and La Défense, both are very well served by transit.
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Gotta love the music onboard the Metro

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Some of the music on the accordion sounds like "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini".
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lol.

I like all the musical sounds that are played within the Paris Metro.
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How many MP89 trains on line 4 so far?
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Old May 31st, 2011, 09:48 AM   #2195
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Only one, and there is a (little) problem with the localisation system, so it doesn't run since saturday. It should be solved in 1 or 2 weeks.
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How many MP89 trains on line 4 so far?
If you read back a few pages you would see there is only 1, and there will be only 1 for a few months.
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Only one, and there is a (little) problem with the localisation system, so it doesn't run since saturday. It should be solved in 1 or 2 weeks.
Uh oh. Hopefully it will be fixed though.

And does anyone know of why there is a delay with the MP 05?
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Old May 31st, 2011, 06:17 PM   #2198
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Uh oh. Hopefully it will be fixed though.

And does anyone know of why there is a delay with the MP 05?
RATP secrets... No one knows, except RATP workers (I'm not), who are not allowed to explain the trouble.
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I was afraid that your response would be the answer
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There are already 9 MF01 delivered for the line 5, 10 if we include the MF01 in test at Porte de Charenton on the line 8.
I really wonder what they wait to put the first train on commercial service. Of course some tests are necessary but the first MF01 of the line 5 was delivered over one year ago.
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